A request for Endwalker Dungeons (No more Undertuned)

[Boizinho]

If all story content needs to be immediately auto-completed upon entry or else it's "not fair" then why in the everloving hell are these dungeons even dungeons in the first place? Make them solo duties. There's no point in dragging 3 other people along to your glorified story cutscene with zero failure state. It's literally the same thing as queuing for Praetorium. People say that should just be a solo instance, why shouldn't Pagl'than be? If players can never, EVER be expected to put 1% effort into having 1% of the absolute bare minimum level of skill playing the game they've been playing for probably two hundred hours or more by the time they enter a level 80 dungeon, then this is quite literally not multiplayer, co-operative gameplay. You're all just trucking towards the same cutscene. It's the same level of cooperation as getting into someone's Leap of Faith instance. Except Leap of Faith is unironically harder than basically any dungeon in this game.

In my opinion, if we're going to keep getting Matoya's Relict-tier garbage, I would rather them just do away with dungeons as a concept entirely. They've already done away with non-story dungeons, and have been making fewer and fewer over time. I say they go whole hog and delete them outright. The only purpose they serve is glamour, so just put a gachapon in Eulmore and add new glamours to it each patch so people can grind them out without creating an instance and adding strain on the server. They should also go back and give 50000% Echo to the crystal tower raids now that those are story-mandatory. People still wipe to Angra Mainyu. If wiping and learning mechanics is completely and utterly unacceptable for story content, they need to go back and fix that boss ASAP.

[Snorky]

If all story content needs to be immediately auto-completed upon entry or else it's "not fair" then why in the everloving hell are these dungeons even dungeons in the first place? Make them solo duties. There's no point in dragging 3 other people along to your glorified story cutscene with zero failure state. It's literally the same thing as queuing for Praetorium. People say that should just be a solo instance, why shouldn't Pagl'than be? If players can never, EVER be expected to put 1% effort into having 1% of the absolute bare minimum level of skill playing the game they've been playing for probably two hundred hours or more by the time they enter a level 80 dungeon, then this is quite literally not multiplayer, co-operative gameplay. You're all just trucking towards the same cutscene. It's the same level of cooperation as getting into someone's Leap of Faith instance. Except Leap of Faith is unironically harder than basically any dungeon in this game.

In my opinion, if we're going to keep getting Matoya's Relict-tier garbage, I would rather them just do away with dungeons as a concept entirely. They've already done away with non-story dungeons, and have been making fewer and fewer over time. I say they go whole hog and delete them outright. The only purpose they serve is glamour, so just put a gachapon in Eulmore and add new glamours to it each patch so people can grind them out without creating an instance and adding strain on the server. They should also go back and give 50000% Echo to the crystal tower raids now that those are story-mandatory. People still wipe to Angra Mainyu. If wiping and learning mechanics is completely and utterly unacceptable for story content, they need to go back and fix that boss ASAP.

This game may it be for you. The whole point of FF is story.
Um I never said anything about difficulty, bit since people seem to be jumping to conclusions no I don't want more difficult dungeons, more interesting ones yes or rather more engaging ones. This conversation thread has been on every MMO forum since MMOs came out. The devs won't pay any attention to it because they know the player base and the majority is casual. I am a filthy casual but I do like a fun dungeon.

[Roda]

This game may it be for you. The whole point of FF is story.

Gameplay is inseparable from a story told.
Otherwise they would just make another movie.

Keep 1 dungeon ez snooze fest for casuals and give 3 ults an expac and more extremes. I’d say more Memoria Ex style extremes. Not really mount or weap farm style but armor glam gathering style. I don’t wanna really have to collect another added mount to the list of mandatory mounts needed for ultra mount….just more extreme content since it’s mostly pf-able.
So 3 ults, 3 memoria ex style extremes, and cycle unreals faster please.

Noo I don't want to have to sit through the headache of finding players to do extreme runs, or schedule time to do ultimate progs just to see interesting mechanics And I really don't want to have to sit in a box with a boss thrown at me to be engaged either. Trials and raids in this game are not replacements for dungeon experiences. And throwing decent players into time-consuming content and ONLY time-consuming content is a great way to alienate casual players who play games to not be bored.

I want cool, casual, quick in/quick out scenarios that respect my time, and my abilities as a level-capped player.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This game may it be for you. The whole point of FF is story.

That is why the story will not be removed, but have you even played any other ff games?

They all have difficult boss fights as part of the main story.

7 10, 12, 13, 15.......


Like, I love the story of XIV, but we need to stop this "game needs to be brain dead because FF" thing, because 1 it's not true and 2 you are doing yourself and everyone a disservice.

[Poporito_Popoto]

That is why the story will not be removed, but have you even played any other ff games?

They all have difficult boss fights as part of the main story.

7 10, 12, 13, 15.......


Like, I love the story of XIV, but we need to stop this "game needs to be brain dead because FF" thing, because 1 it's not true and 2 you are doing yourself and everyone a disservice.

Everyone, or just a vocal minority?

[Vahlnir]

Everyone, or just a vocal minority?

Vocal minority. It's not like harder versions of most fights don't exist if players are looking to challenge themselves a bit. Extreme is probably considered midcore content, but that doesn't make it any less of a challenge for a lot of people. I see nothing wrong with story mode versions of important boss fights. Considering it has been a thing since ARR, I'm guessing a lot of people feel that way.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Everyone, or just a vocal minority?

No one is asking for story content to be EX or Savage level.

But name ANY RPG where the game doesn't get progressively harder as you go through the story.

We are basically still playing the same difficulty in non-ex and savage content as we were 8 years ago, and easier in some cases.

And yes, it does everyone a disservice if the developers and people at large think you can only complete braindead content. That means they think you have literally 0 skill in a game you have been playing hundred or thousands of hours in.

[Poporito_Popoto]

No one is asking for story content to be EX or Savage level.

But name ANY RPG where the game doesn't get progressively harder as you go through the story.

We are basically still playing the same difficulty in non-ex and savage content as we were 8 years ago, and easier in some cases.

And yes, it does everyone a disservice if the developers and people at large think you can only complete braindead content. That means they think you have literally 0 skill in a game you have been playing hundred or thousands of hours in.

Yet here we are, with the game more popular than ever.

[Nethereal]

Yet here we are, with the game more popular than ever.

Largely due to WoW flying to close to the sun and having essentially rapists on payroll. But yeah we're definitely doing well and it was all because the game was super good in every single way.

[Rinhi]

Yet here we are, with the game more popular than ever.

amount of players =/= quality of the game