Smn Rework Suggestions After LL

[GrizzlyTank]

Still think summoner should have had a nuke that mass summoned one of each carbuncle.

And arcanist still needs a "throw book" skill.

[Roda]

Still think summoner should have had a nuke that mass summoned one of each carbuncle.

And arcanist still needs a "throw book" skill.

LISTEN, WE NEED AN LB3 UPDATE

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

How Summoners work in FF is irrelevant because this is a MMO and you can't copy and paste big summons that cast their ultimate and go away and call it a day. Black Mages in FF don't work alternating an ice and a fire phase, yet no one is asking them to rework the job, for example.

This is not the problem, either. The problem is that the job now is completely devoided of depth and complexity. Or anything remotely engaging, really. It looks even easier and boring than 5.X MCH. Almost healers level of complexity, who at least have to worry about health bars.

The bulk of your rotation is composed of four buttons: Ruin III, Tridisaster and the two pet actions. Demi-summons are SMN's inner release with their 11111 spam, primals seems to be different combinations of 1-2. On top of that, you have no DoTs, or debuffs, or buffs to mantain. Movement is braindead because almost everything is instant. There is no resource management.

If this is really how a DPS job will play, I see a panic 6.1 rework to be inevitable. Much like NIN in 5.1 and to a lesser degree SMN itself.

It's not irrelevant though, because the devs are finally trying to peel away from the old WoW cookie cutter classes and make something more traditionally FF. This game was built on the Lore and success of its predecessors, and while some people would have picked it up simply because it was the 'new' MMO of the time, a lot of people came over because of franchise itself. I was one of them. And I pretty much HATE how Black Mage works. It's still basically WoW Arcane Mage, and when I first took up the game, I was expecting the Black Mage that I was used to from the many many other FF games I had played. Needless to say, it was not that. I eagerly await the day that Black Mage becomes more like the 'Choose Your Own Adventure Mage' it has been previously--actually, kind of like BLU is now. (Yes, it will suck to 'relearn' my main job but an old school FF player like me still remembers having to learn a completely new battle system each new game--especially if it was a new console).

With all the tearing down and reworking of other jobs, SMN was certainly due. I feel for those who put down the class due to the changes but I'm actually looking forward to it. I've liked what I've seen so far.

[MercuryD]

LISTEN, WE NEED AN LB3 UPDATE

How dare you present such perfection to me though I know it will never happen!

[Xiozen]

Now we should in all honesty get additional summons as gems (or jewels) to be slotted in place of the ones we are currently using... for example, ramuh as a purple gem can be slotted to replace, say garuda... with his own abilities. Etc. Plenty of primals to choose from that have already been added to the game. So I can definitely see this as something that can be expanded upon. No need to increase or decrease the rotation either since the gems/jewels can be removed or adjusted depending on the summoner's playstyle.

[Raikai]

LISTEN, WE NEED AN LB3 UPDATE

Lol that is amazing!

I'm surprised they didn't update SMN's LB3 to a big summon like Leviathan, for example. Or maybe they will and it's just not disclosed yet...

[Roda]

Mmm spitballing ideas here, but I'd appreciate it if our gauges could show us the cooldown time remaining until our demi summons and aetherflow become available. Id also appreciate it if ahk morn and revelation could interact with the gauge as well. Like instead of a cooldown, have an element on the gauge need to charge up before a second use of the ability becomes available. It's functionally the same, but communicated in a way thats more fun than watching a timer tick down.

Just thinking of ways to keep our eyes off our hotbars and more focused on the action, and the gauges are an elegant way to display info that isn't all cluttered on our hotbar and status bar.

[Kolsykol]

I'd rather not have SMN summons cover half of my screen.

[ItMe]

I'd rather not have SMN summons cover half of my screen.

Typing /bahamutsize changes the size of Bahamut and Phoenix for you.
It toggled between small, medium, and large.
I hope this helps your screen stay uncluttered by summons.

[ItMe]

It was a bandaid fix for the janky pet AI to put all the focus on the caster.

Good point.
Though I wonder if the changes won't allow us to finally have summons in PVP...