He...he said death penalties are fun. What is this?

Oh no, now I know what he's talking about... remember all that fun getting back the level you'd already spent hours earning. I *loved* redoing that every other week! /end sarcasm

The thrill of trying to survive is not getting killed not "oh if I die I get to grind some more instead of doing crap I actually care about". If I die in most offline console games I lose about 5 minutes worth of time (same as FFXIV), it doesn't change the fact my knuckles are turning white and I have decrepid claws for hands because wanting to win/survive makes you tense.