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    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    So why not for the base kit as well? SCH has this. I don't see why AST shouldn't.

    Hells even in my own example we have it: ED and Bene. Both are essentially the same thing, but they do something different.

    I don't see why it can't apply to the rest of AST's crossover with WHM and I don't see why we shouldn't be asking for those changes. Instead of having WHM or WHM but with cards why not have a regen healer? A pure regen healer. Your burst or on demand heals cost more, but your regens cost less in mana. That could be AST. That would be a completely different healing style. I'm all for it at this point.
    Just to clarify, I'm actually agreeing with you, hence why I put "the essential kit" in quotation marks, because while it is true all healers need a bread and butter, aoe, and emergency buttons, the other actions I mentioned are spells and abilities that despite serving a similar purpose, aren't straight up copy-pastes of each other - AST can heal similarly to WHM, but has no reason to be WHM, but better.

    I also would like it if AST is more regen oriented, I mean, technically it already is, just by virtue of having more regen spells than WHM, but I'd like it if they solidify that as its identity/niche, just to separate both jobs further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    I also would like it if AST is more regen oriented, I mean, technically it already is, just by virtue of having more regen spells than WHM, but I'd like it if they solidify that as its identity/niche, just to separate both jobs further.
    Square won't do this on the virtue of being horrified at the idea of a job being slightly better than another at fucking anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcogEnjoyer View Post
    Square won't do this on the virtue of being horrified at the idea of a job being slightly better than another at fucking anything.
    It's not better though, just different. If anything, the actual issue would be people not understanding how healing over time works (as is already the case ...nothing like using Medica II/Helios only for the co healer to top everyone off...) and think it's weaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcogEnjoyer View Post
    Square won't do this on the virtue of being horrified at the idea of a job being slightly better than another at fucking anything.
    ast is already a better whm right now, I don't think they really care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcogEnjoyer View Post
    Square won't do this on the virtue of being horrified at the idea of a job being slightly better than another at fucking anything.
    I dunno, in terms of healers they seem to love making one healer a strictly inferior version of another. AST is literally just "WHM+." Better GCD heals with Neutral Sect, better oGCD heals, better rDPS, better mobility. The reason to bring WHM over AST is "my friend plays a WHM and I don't want to be mean and ask them to change."

    Similarly, it's extremely obvious that the way they designed Sage's kit was to take almost the entirety of Scholar's kit, copy-paste it, and then start adding things on top of that. With the launch of A Realm Reborn they had ideas for only 2 healers, and here we are 8 years later, they still only have 2 ideas for healers.
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