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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
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    Nah, cause at least you're using all of them all the time. Maintaining your rotation in the face of mechanics that want to interrupt it is the fun of DPS, and extra damaging abilities only add to that challenge. You have a precise order you've set up to make sure you're using all of your abilities as soon as you can, and you need to make the encounter work around that no matter how much the encounter tries to stop it from happening. Healing is the complete opposite. You never want to use it if you don't have to, and you're relying on the encounter itself to give you permission to use those abilities. The boss tries to stop DPS from using DPS abilities, and it tries to force healers into using healing abilities.

    Problem is, there just isn't enough outgoing damage relative to the bloated healing kits, so the choice about which spell to use isn't very important. You can think of it like this: imagine if you're a level 58 DPS that's bored waiting in queue for Palace of the Dead, so you decide to go out and walk around killing random gazelle outside Quarrymill. For the first one, you're probably going to pick an instant oGCD to one-shot it with. As a RDM, I would kill the first one with a Fleche. Second gazelle, I toss out Contra Sixte. Third one I kill with Corps-a-corps. As you can see, it takes a lot of gazelle to make me start hard-casting Jolt. If it's already been 25 seconds since I killed the first gazelle, then my go-to spell becomes Fleche again, and if I continue at this pace I will probably never reach a point where I'm casting Jolt.

    Healing opportunities are rare, fleeting, and the game decides when and if they happen. If there's no gazelle around, that Fleche will sit off cooldown until I find one. Now imagine that I'm constantly taking some form of heavy poison damage during my hunt. The moment a gazelle appears, I'm ready to Fleche it. I've been waiting to do that. But I can't do it until it spawns. In the mean time though, I'm taking heavy damage over time. This leads to me casting Vercure over and over until a gazelle spawns. Despite the fact that I have a wealth of DPS buttons at the ready, I'm spending 70% of my time casting Vercure, my one heal, interminably. The rate at which gazelle are spawning is making my high-priority attacks come off cooldown before I can even consider using the less powerful ones. Vercure Vercure Vercure Vercure Fleche, Vercure Vercure etc.

    This is what they've done to healers currently. A DPS with a large suite of DPS spells is using all of them all the time if they can help it. A healer with 20 healing spells and 1 damage spell is going to be using the 1 damage spell until the scripted encounter decides it's time to use a heal. Well, if that opportunity is one measly tank buster in a 30 second time period, I'm just gonna throw an Excog out and not worry about it, because the game's going to tell me ahead of time if another gazelle is about to show up.
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    This is good it keeps the healers able to focus on healing not optimal dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    This is good it keeps the healers able to focus on healing not optimal dps.
    That's not true. Optimal DPS exists for every role. And we have a lot oGCD healing abilities so that we can focus on optimal DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    That's not true. Optimal DPS exists for every role. And we have a lot oGCD healing abilities so that we can focus on optimal DPS.
    Optimal dps shouldn’t exist for healers is the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Optimal dps shouldn’t exist for healers is the problem.
    Why shouldn't it ? With scholar, it had the form of shadow flare for instance, and I think it was the right solution. A very minimal positional dps gain that healers can play around to optimize, yet because it's so small you weren't missing out too much if you didn't care to use it the smartest way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Optimal dps shouldn’t exist for healers is the problem.
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    I can't fathom this being an actual mentality people have. Why would you want the game to be so boring and homogenized? Just go play white mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    Precisely! In order to kill the openers and 'rotation', we have to kill our Broil button! Because guess what? People throw out their raidwide buffs and debuffs from the start, and every certain window, which means even our hypothetical 1 potency Broil III will be boosted in said period. It would be the optimal choice to spam that Broil button. We can't have people do that! It's optimal dps option!

    Just leave them with Adloquium/Succor IV to do all job in one press then go back /beesknees until next incoming damage. Should be fine right? We're healers after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    In the time it took you to type out the 40 or posts you've made about how "I don't wanna learn" you could have easily just learned your opener and made it muscle memory. Ruin II is just used to get a chance to use oGCDs, the real "opener" for scholar is put up Chain Stratagem -> Biolysis -> dump your aetherflow -> Dissipation -> dump your aetherflow again.

    You said you plan to get into Savage, but with your attitude you're going to get to your first clock position protean, overlap with someone, then say "SE please remove clock positions I don't wanna be east."
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