Openly admitting to ignoring the players

[Imora]

For me it was only for adlo and embrace, Physic & embrace. For the other skills that management the fairy actions i used the pet hot bar switch they had. to help mange them. I never really macro alot of the skills for it.

I don't remember all my macros (other account) but i distinctly recall macroing a lot of "embrace the tank".

People say they want micromanaging but then use macros to auto target fair heals. I hated it.

[Axxion]

I don't remember all my macros (other account) but i distinctly recall macroing a lot of "embrace the tank".

People say they want micromanaging but then use macros to auto target fair heals. I hated it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcK2YteB70. you mean this? They could had fixed the ai for like they did now , and kept the pet hotbar actions .

Im not going to lie that it had it issues back then and there was a lot of problems. but for me i didn't really mind micro management of the system. and with the storm blood alot of QOL has happened. but doing that imo took some things out that made it stick out more.

[Roeshel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcK2YteB70. you mean this? They could had fixed the ai for like they did now , and kept the pet hot bar.

Jesus Christ

"You are underperforming if you are not using a macro on Scholar basically"

Is this guy for real or was the healer gameplay actually that bad? Using a macro to achieve optimal gameplay? How can anyone want that type of playstyle?

[Axxion]

Jesus Christ

"You are underperforming if you are not using a macro on Scholar basically"

Is this guy for real or was the healer gameplay actually that bad? Using a macro to achieve optimal gameplay? How can anyone want that type of playstyle?

Depends on who you ask. Ill let you be the judge of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il9JQHuiRFA-Sch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1hl2PGaxRM-solo whm

back then you had to level alot of skills to have them cross such as stone skin, protect , eye for an eye and virus for healers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvH72DImF0-ast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__xMaCkhRLY-skills back then

[Boizinho]

Jesus Christ

"You are underperforming if you are not using a macro on Scholar basically"

Is this guy for real or was the healer gameplay actually that bad? Using a macro to achieve optimal gameplay? How can anyone want that type of playstyle?

I... don't see what's wrong with that? Macros are a mainstay in other MMOs and an outright staple in WoW. The reason macros aren't generally used in FFXIV is because their implementation is as horrific as the netcode is. If macros actually worked the way they should, the vast majority of jobs would use them. GNB and DRK got abilities reworked in Endwalker to what they would be if macros worked properly.

The reason macros are basically unusable in FFXIV is because they have no ability queuing, which is only a problem if the action you're trying to perform can't be done during another action. Macroing the fairy didn't have that issue.

[Roeshel]

I... don't see what's wrong with that? Macros are a mainstay in other MMOs and an outright staple in WoW. The reason macros aren't generally used in FFXIV is because their implementation is as horrific as the netcode is. If macros actually worked the way they should, the vast majority of jobs would use them. GNB and DRK got abilities reworked in Endwalker to what they would be if macros worked properly.

The reason macros are basically unusable in FFXIV is because they have no ability queuing, which is only a problem if the action you're trying to perform can't be done during another action. Macroing the fairy didn't have that issue.

I agree and even FFXi uses macros, a game that will be hitting its 20th anniversary soon

Its needed because you gearswap equipment or you want to perform and action and place it on your bar action

FFXI SCH macro




Macros in mmos arnt notthing new, adds a bit of complexity to the games

please stop Roeshel

Macroing is legit botting. Botting to obtain optimal gameplay shouldn't be allowed within the game. How don't you see it is a problem?

The reason why the macros in FFXIV don't have the ability to queue is so that people won't use them to play the game instead of them. DPS could legit encode their whole rotation on 1-2 macro buttons and be performing optimally regardless of actual skills if macros could be used for them. Same for healers and tanks. If you are using macro you can weave only 1 oGCD without clipping and cast an ability once every 3s, real players can weave 2oGCDs and cast more frequently, pet actions were outside of GCD, and botting with macro obviously worked extremely well there. Now I get why all of the fairy actions became oGCD commands.

[Sebazy]

Jesus Christ

"You are underperforming if you are not using a macro on Scholar basically"

Is this guy for real or was the healer gameplay actually that bad? Using a macro to achieve optimal gameplay? How can anyone want that type of playstyle?

Much <3 for Ashe, always had fun times healing alongside him whilst my group was on a mid tier hiatus, this clip has me laughing every time it pops up, group dieing? NP, Just glare the problem away!

Back on topic, I used the macro thing during ARR and when healer DPS wasn't really a consideration it was indeed pretty potent. I used to have embrace macroed to my target with heals whilst my nukes and dots embraced the target of my target, the idea being to force the fairy to pump those embraces into the tank where you'd get the most value from them. Teammates would generally get topped by the next Whispering Dawn anyway.

Once it became clear I was going to get drafted back into world prog on SCH for Heavensward for a bit I did some experimentation and practice and promptly realised these macros were costing me around 1 to 2 GCDs per minute with how poorly they queued.

This spurred on trying various methods such as pedals and mouse wheel spinning before I eventually settled on a macro keypad emulating a gamepad so I could mash a button with my thumb to focus Embraces on the party member of my choice.

Sometimes you have to trust that the developers know what is best for their own game in the long term.

3.0 AST, 3.5 WHM, 4.0 SCH (and AST to a lesser degree for the strange backwards QoL step it took) and 5.0 SCH suggest otherwise.

I'm sure Yoshida's vision is absolutely fine, that's not the problem however. The issue is that the seemingly still 4 or 5 strong battle system design team just doesn't have the depth of talent to keep up with the increased job complexity, larger overall number of jobs and a player base that is getting ever better at optimising and min maxing.