Openly admitting to ignoring the players

[Aword3213]

"We know there are some people who want the complexity of 3.0 but we're building on 5.0 (read: Homogenization and easiness of play)"

If you were actually listening to the broadcast they opened up with this.

I believe that statement indicates they do know what most people in the forum are asking for.

It seems to me they simply decided not to go along with that idea and want us to embrace the new healer design philosophy introduced in ShB.

Honestly, I'm fine with it. It's okay for developers to disagree with the directions players want to take. Maybe most of suggestions and ideas coming from this forum are against their design philosophy.

Hopefully such design choice will turn out well.

[FoxCh40s]

I believe that statement indicates they do know what most people in the forum are asking for.

It seems to me they simply decided not to go along with that idea and want us to embrace the new healer design philosophy introduced in ShB.

Honestly, I'm fine with it. It's okay for developers to disagree with the directions players want to take. Maybe most of suggestions and ideas coming from this forum are against their design philosophy.

Hopefully such design choice will turn out well.

It won't, I assure you.

[Jkap_Goat]

I... don't see what's wrong with that? Macros are a mainstay in other MMOs and an outright staple in WoW. The reason macros aren't generally used in FFXIV is because their implementation is as horrific as the netcode is. If macros actually worked the way they should, the vast majority of jobs would use them. GNB and DRK got abilities reworked in Endwalker to what they would be if macros worked properly.

The reason macros are basically unusable in FFXIV is because they have no ability queuing, which is only a problem if the action you're trying to perform can't be done during another action. Macroing the fairy didn't have that issue.

I agree and even FFXi uses macros, a game that will be hitting its 20th anniversary soon

Its needed because you gearswap equipment or you want to perform and action and place it on your bar action

FFXI SCH macro




Macros in mmos arnt notthing new, adds a bit of complexity to the games

please stop Roeshel

[Jkap_Goat]

And your macro actions will be on top

Macros are not complicated Roeshel

[Axxion]

"We know there are some people who want the complexity of 3.0 but we're building on 5.0 (read: Homogenization and easiness of play)"

If you were actually listening to the broadcast they opened up with this.

Piggy back

job actions are become complicated and the content will make it worst.

I can understand that. However you have to make it stand out compared to the rest. Right now we have to wait until the embargo is lifted to see what else has changed.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I believe that statement indicates they do know what most people in the forum are asking for.

It seems to me they simply decided not to go along with that idea and want us to embrace the new healer design philosophy introduced in ShB.

Honestly, I'm fine with it. It's okay for developers to disagree with the directions players want to take. Maybe most of suggestions and ideas coming from this forum are against their design philosophy.

Hopefully such design choice will turn out well.

This sounds good on paper, but then you have to realize that if you fly in the face of your community too long, regardless of whether it's the right choice or not, it's going to be the wrong one. With 6 years of no new healer, the butchering of existing ones, and no end in sight to the slaughter? Now there's nothing SE can do to slake the healing community. They've taken stab after stab after stab that any improvements will now be met with, I'd say well-deserved, skepticism and even passive-aggression.

This is not complaints and a disagreements over a singular patch. This has been brewing for multiple expansions only for it to culminate in a cute twist on "You think you know what you want, but you don't." This will not turn out well. This is a guarantee. Because it has not turned out well for years and there's no reason for that to do a 180 for literally quite no reason. Fire has not become wet in the past eternity and I have no reason to believe that will change tomorrow.

We are witnessing the final breaths of the healing class. I'm done with this boring corpse, I'm gonna go play MNK. The LL for them looked fun. I'll let the green beans handle the healing and, if the queues get too bad, I'll just use trusts.

You know, in case you guys forgot we could be replaced by legal bots.

[Roeshel]

I... don't see what's wrong with that? Macros are a mainstay in other MMOs and an outright staple in WoW. The reason macros aren't generally used in FFXIV is because their implementation is as horrific as the netcode is. If macros actually worked the way they should, the vast majority of jobs would use them. GNB and DRK got abilities reworked in Endwalker to what they would be if macros worked properly.

The reason macros are basically unusable in FFXIV is because they have no ability queuing, which is only a problem if the action you're trying to perform can't be done during another action. Macroing the fairy didn't have that issue.

I agree and even FFXi uses macros, a game that will be hitting its 20th anniversary soon

Its needed because you gearswap equipment or you want to perform and action and place it on your bar action

FFXI SCH macro




Macros in mmos arnt notthing new, adds a bit of complexity to the games

please stop Roeshel

Macroing is legit botting. Botting to obtain optimal gameplay shouldn't be allowed within the game. How don't you see it is a problem?

The reason why the macros in FFXIV don't have the ability to queue is so that people won't use them to play the game instead of them. DPS could legit encode their whole rotation on 1-2 macro buttons and be performing optimally regardless of actual skills if macros could be used for them. Same for healers and tanks. If you are using macro you can weave only 1 oGCD without clipping and cast an ability once every 3s, real players can weave 2oGCDs and cast more frequently, pet actions were outside of GCD, and botting with macro obviously worked extremely well there. Now I get why all of the fairy actions became oGCD commands.

[Aword3213]

This sounds good on paper, but then you have to realize that if you fly in the face of your community too long, regardless of whether it's the right choice or not, it's going to be the wrong one. With 6 years of no new healer, the butchering of existing ones, and no end in sight to the slaughter? Now there's nothing SE can do to slake the healing community. They've taken stab after stab after stab that any improvements will now be met with, I'd say well-deserved, skepticism and even passive-aggression.

This is not complaints and a disagreements over a singular patch. This has been brewing for multiple expansions only for it to culminate in a cute twist on "You think you know what you want, but you don't." This will not turn out well. This is a guarantee. Because it has not turned out well for years and there's no reason for that to do a 180 for literally quite no reason. Fire has not become wet in the past eternity and I have no reason to believe that will change tomorrow.

We are witnessing the final breaths of the healing class. I'm done with this boring corpse, I'm gonna go play MNK. The LL for them looked fun. I'll let the green beans handle the healing and, if the queues get too bad, I'll just use trusts.

You know, in case you guys forgot we could be replaced by legal bots.

but DPS and Tanks can also be replaced by Scion,too.What do you mean?

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Well, I said I'm okay with this because I genuinely believe someday they will change their healer design philosophy, be it by adding more dps options or changing the way we heal.

Though i don't like the current state of healers, I do see their effort on adding something more to healers in LL(except SCH, poor SCH).

They said they are building it on 5.0, which means EW is going to be the first expansion we are going to see how they extend their healer design philosophy

Is it going to fail as you said it would? ? Maybe, though I won't say for sure. Maybe they will someday behave like WoW developers, maybe someday they will make amends. But right now if what they say they are building on 5.0 iteration of healer is true, I'm willing to keep my hopes up.

[Kabooa]

but DPS and Tanks can also be replaced by Scion,too.What do you mean?

No, but it's different, you see.

I don't know how, but it is.

[BrokentoothMarch]

SNIP

Am I saying it's impossible they surprise me? Of course not. However, we both must admit that being told nearly outright that they will be ignoring our disdain for these changes while revealing no alternative nor extending any olive branch has good cause to dishearten some and enrage others. If they have something in the works to change the course of where healers are going, this is a very poor way of saying it. Even simply acknowledging the complaints in good faith would have been better, as it's been becoming something of a meme that healers simply get ignored.

Instead? They shush us.

This is a pretty blatant show that they intend to stay the course so many of us have complained about. If they stay this course, then this will fail. That much is guaranteed. If they change things, then naturally I can no longer be certain what the future of healer balance is. I desperately want the latter case to happen, but they seem to refuse to do this. Even if tomorrow they changed everything, we're still going to have malcontents. Rightfully so because, once again, six years of being ignored, going on seven, is not something you can recover from by just doing everything you were supposed to do in the first place (Be it giving the changes the community desires or changing the philosophy that plagues this archetype in another way). We do not reward the man who removes rats from our home if he's the one who released them in the first place.

Sadly, after so long, we can no longer have any faith in "Maybe's" or "Hope". I can hope that the ground one day turns to gold, but you'd know better, yes? You'd call me silly and damn rightfully so. This is quickly approaching that level of morbid consistency.


As for the tangent with the Trusts: You can replace DPS and Tanks with the Scions, but we both can't sit here and pretend like they're any good at it. I've wiped when I healed my Trusts because the DPS' are laughably incompetent (I'm going to sit outside the hit zone and do literally nothing the entire time) and the Tank ones have done outright bizarre behaviors with enough reliability that I'd honestly save myself the pain and teach a green bean how to tank with how much less painful that'd be. The healer, however? Never messes up. Never skips a beat. Though, to be fair, how can you mess up 3 buttons?

Admittedly anecdotal on that last bit, but the experience has left me no less embittered as this was seen as a favorable alternative to just... making the needed jobs more enticing to try, whether it be healer OR tank. Tanks being an archetype that seem to be noticing similar undesirable changes that healers have been undergoing.

No, but it's different, you see.

I don't know how, but it is.

Very helpful passive-aggression, but it's considered good form to wait for a response before you start madly chomping at someone who has to critically think for you. Would you care tackling the bulk of the argument instead of needling at the convenient one or are you just here to start fights?