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  1. #11
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    Liam_Harper's Avatar
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    The sad part is, they legitimately don't know what to do with SCH, or healers in general. It's not ignoring the community or being lazy, they just don't know what they're doing.

    There's no point in listening to the thousands of players, because our opinions are so wildly varied due to different players having different preferences and playstyles that it would be impossible to untangle a great healer core from the mess. Feedback is meant to spark small ideas or improvement, not be a guide in how to design an entire role.

    They simply need a healer-main class designer on the team. Badly. They don't have one right now and it shows.
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  2. #12
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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    The sad part is, they legitimately don't know what to do with SCH, or healers in general. It's not ignoring the community or being lazy, they just don't know what they're doing.

    There's no point in listening to the thousands of players, because our opinions are so wildly varied due to different players having different preferences and playstyles that it would be impossible to untangle a great healer core from the mess. Feedback is meant to spark small ideas or improvement, not be a guide in how to design an entire role.

    They simply need a healer-main class designer on the team. Badly. They don't have one right now and it shows.
    Not quite, they do know what they are doing, hence sage's entire mechanic of "damage to heal"
    That's exactly how a healer is supposed to be played: healing and doing damage.

    They just don't give a damn
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  3. #13
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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Bye to all the salty players. If you aren't having fun then it's to play a new game. If thousands more players enjoy the playstyle of 5.0 and you don't then it's just not your cup of tea. Doesn't mean the game or job/class is definitely bad.
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  4. #14
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    I mean, it was most definitely bad for the first half of the expansion, and I think even now healers are overall more in need than tanks - for roulettes, at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  5. #15
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    Jkap_Goat's Avatar
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    Jkap Goat
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    Gilgamesh
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    Weaver Lv 80
    This is why i moved to FFXI, its an older game but its much harder and the battle system is more depth than FFXIV puddle of a battle system, cant believe xiv devs op for a much more, very simple homogenized battle system



    At least im not spamming one button in XI and i needed a harder game
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  6. #16
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    Cora Eudestand
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    People are unironically pretending they enjoy a level 80 job literally having a simpler rotation than a level 4 Lancer just so they can "bye, Felicia" the remaining few healer mains out of spite lmao
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  7. #17
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    Brandedblade's Avatar
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    People are unironically pretending they enjoy a level 80 job literally having a simpler rotation than a level 4 Lancer just so they can "bye, Felicia" the remaining few healer mains out of spite lmao
    Because people aren't playing it to have a complex rotation, they're playing it because they want to heal and support their group and *gasp* don't mind having downtime to their skills.

    So with that said *ahem* "Bye Felicia ♡"
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  8. #18
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    Because people aren't playing it to have a complex rotation, they're playing it because they want to heal and support their group and *gasp* don't mind having downtime to their skills.

    So with that said *ahem* "Bye Felicia ♡"
    If only the downtime wasn't the majority of the encounter.
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  9. #19
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    Not quite, they do know what they are doing, hence sage's entire mechanic of "damage to heal"
    That's exactly how a healer is supposed to be played: healing and doing damage.

    They just don't give a damn
    "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

    I suspect Sage's design is more them legitimately having no other ideas for a healer and just crossing their fingers. Most of their healer design seems to follow that trajectory. Unfortunately, they're more concerned about making everything approachable and accessibility for baby players than fun and engaging for veterans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    Because people aren't playing it to have a complex rotation, they're playing it because they want to heal and support their group and *gasp* don't mind having downtime to their skills.

    So with that said *ahem* "Bye Felicia ♡"
    When I average 70% of "downtime", then it's a problem. What exactly are we healing and supporting? I can literally go entire dungeons without casting more than Regen once or twice. If even that.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 09-19-2021 at 04:46 AM.
    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


  10. #20
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    dtv20's Avatar
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    In that lil hole under Alexander that leads under the map.
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    Character
    Kazuma Haynes
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    And you're part of the problem. We pay for the game AND a monthly sub. People's concerns and problems shouldn't just be brushed off.

    If all scholar mains since launch NO Longer want to play the job then it's not us. It's 100% the Devs. You should be just as upset at the Devs are we are.
    They will continue doing this until the players call them out for it or until the game is dead.
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