A summary of healer issues

[HollyJolly]

I kinda disagree. I like to have another healer in raids because I'm not sure I know what I'm doing in most of them.

In the lower level ones I can get hit and still live, but the higher ones I might die and then I'd need another healer to help me.

I also don't want to do damage. I want to do healing. Thats why I made a white mage first so I could do healing instead of damage.

If ur a healer and want to do damage then I dunno they could make a job that does both better, but I just want to do healing.

Maybe they can make more damage so I can just do healing stuff. Ya the solo duty and quest was kinda long, but after my white mage I did a monk and it was so damn hard I gave up on it and didn't level it up until more than a year.

I just want to do healing. Why are you telling them to make me do damage. Stop speaking for me I just want to do healing when I play a healer.

[BaconBits]

That's nice and all, except every single class in this game is a dps in some way, shape, or form.

Tanks are just beefy blue dps that can take tankbusters without melting like a snowcone on a hot summer day, and have more defensive cooldowns than anyone else. Their responsibilities are making sure enemies aren't running rampant, facing bosses with fat cleaves away from the party, and not eating vuln stacks like candy off the ground.

DPS are DPS, their only responsibilities are not eating aoes like an all you can eat buffet, and executing their rotations with more competency than your average chimpanzee. Any buffs and/or debuffs they make use of should be looked at as a bonus, because a distressingly large amount of DPS players won't even glance at stuff like feint/addle, and getting a summoner to sacrifice their swiftcast to resurrect someone is like pulling a tooth out of a baby.

Healers are of course green DPS, but with a "rotation" so mind numbingly dull it's insulting. Apply dot, spam nuke for 30 seconds, reapply dot, spam nuke for 30 more seconds, repeat until the heat death of the universe. Sure, their primary responsibility is to keep the party alive and kicking, provided said party isn't doing their absolute best to leap into an early grave. But once you're sure they're not going to die within a nanosecond of breaking eye contact from their health bar, then what? Do you just stand there with your thumb plugged firmly up your rear and do some good old fashion Bee's Knee's? Or do you go back to throwing rocks at the enemy like an ornery school kid? If you pick the first option, I will not hesitate to Dragon Kick your rump into the Milky Way, and out of my party.

[Recon1o6]

I just want to do healing. Why are you telling them to make me do damage. Stop speaking for me I just want to do healing when I play a healer.

What else do you do when there is no need to heal that contributes to beating the encounter? You can't heal your way past a dps check which this game is filled with.

Furthermore, if you do the hall of the novice which is the tutorial, even the game says throw in damage as a healer.

As you get more skilled at healing and learn the fights more, you need to heal less because you know your kit better and you don't need to watch out for as many mechanics because you know how to solve them and avoid death.

You don't ask a tank to just sit there pushing no buttons after getting aggro with his tank stance on. So you shouldn't sit there as a healer waiting for a hp bar to drop. Do some damage.


Finally, my very first problem that I mentioned in the thread was that there's a lack of dps buttons. If more dps buttons were added, you wouldn't be any further obligated to push them. But while they are not there, the majority of us that do damage while healing feel their absence, particularly when all 3 healer jobs were able to use them. Plus they make the solo duties faster and more entertaining

[Liam_Harper]

If ur a healer and want to do damage then I dunno they could make a job that does both better, but I just want to do healing.

I'm a healer that wants to be useful. Damage is useful. Overhealing is useless. Simple as that.

[AngeliouxRein]

@Holly

You…might be better off on the general forums where there is two other people that states they also only want to heal but refuse to acknowledge all the changes that would be needed for this playstyle to properly exist in this game.

I’m not sure what game, or if there is one, that healer mains like you are coming from where you only healed but I’ve never played a game where healers only healed. Hell the first mmorpg I played, the healers were ice mages with only two heals. One aoe and the other a single target. That was it. This is the first time I’ve seen healers with an unnecessary amount of heal spells. Speaks even louder volumes when even raiders that main healers STILL complain they have nothing to do unless they do a specific fight.

[Aword3213]

@Holly

You…might be better off on the general forums where there is two other people that states they also only want to heal but refuse to acknowledge all the changes that would be needed for this playstyle to properly exist in this game.

I’m not sure what game, or if there is one, that healer mains like you are coming from where you only healed but I’ve never played a game where healers only healed. Hell the first mmorpg I played, the healers were ice mages with only two heals. One aoe and the other a single target. That was it. This is the first time I’ve seen healers with an unnecessary amount of heal spells. Speaks even louder volumes when even raiders that main healers STILL complain they have nothing to do unless they do a specific fight.

There WAS a game that healers only heal. The healers there have lots and lots of tools of healing and the environment does require healers to solely focus on healing only. There are some interesting healing mechanics that the ideas would hopefully be utilized in FFXIV someday. Too bad that game died down due to poor contents and bad market decisions

[AngeliouxRein]

Yeah…

That feeling when a game you love gets destroyed due to unfortunate decision making is rough. But I want to focus in on the fact that you mentioned the game you use to play sounds like it was designed from the start for healers to function that way. As in, the developers knew from the start healers would have to focus on healing. The same as the games I played where the developers knew damn well healers would be required to DPS. Hence the games we played designed their healers accordingly.

If this game was designed for healers to only heal and it actually worked out that way, I would not be here asking for more DPS skills. Probably asking for more ways to buff a party or something but I otherwise wouldn’t be bothered by all the heal spells we have now. But that’s not how this game was designed and on top of that the game itself encourages you to DPS in between. WHM for example has a whole history of apparently fighting against BLM during the Magi war. The way that was being described in game would have you think WHM back then had a ton of offensive skills to fight off a raging BLM. Otherwise, how else would you survive a battle against a BLM? Heal yourself until you were tired meanwhile BLM has an infinite pool of MP? Someone was taking those BLM out as a WHM and there’s no way spamming holy was enough. SCH has a story line that was also all about military combat and what not.

If it’s not the lore that tells you, then it was the hall of novice. And if you started this game from at least back in HW, the jobs themselves didn’t have anywhere near as much heal spells as we have now. Something at all times , whether you ignored it or not, was telling you to do more than heal. I stayed silent this whole expansion about the amount of heal spells we have simply because I assumed, especially when Nier got added, healers would have a reason to use all those spells. But not even raiders fount a use for their whole kit. As if the developers just straight up forgot their own game wasn’t designed this way to begin with.

I wouldn’t mind playing a healer that only heals as long as the game gives me a solid reason to use at least half my kit at all times. Hell, I wouldn’t even be here commenting if that was the case. But SE is way too focused on keeping this game accessible to only one crowd and not taking advantage of the thought of creating different play styles across all the jobs. At least this way, there wouldn’t be as much healer rage if it was done that way. And it would cater to a larger demographic of different gamers. But that seems highly unlikely unless Endwalker changes the difficulty that allows healers to put their entire kit to use.

Until then, even the healer mains who want to “just heal” are going to see the problem and eventually get bored as their skills increase. Something gotta give. Either we get more utility or they start adding in encounters that actually require healers to heal. One or the other needs to happen.

[Deceptus]

There WAS a game that healers only heal.

Name it.

Because in any game healers have to level somehow and you can't heal mobs to death.

[Caitlyn]

It would be nice to have achievements for the healer job like they did for the tank jobs.

[Szylver]

Name it.

Because in any game healers have to level somehow and you can't heal mobs to death.

Lineage 2, you can even heal the monster xD but thats a totally different game.