MSQ cutscenes - Allow vote to skip if there are no first time/new players

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

It was increased twice to entice vets to help speed up the queue for the MSQ.

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Vets should not be punished in the event that that MSQ queue puts only vets together by the sake of rng, an option in this specific circumstance should be available to the players that wish to skip, they took the risk and chance and as a certain demographic of people say in this game, the DF pits you with anyone, but apparently people in this thread think vets should still be punished when done nothing wrong.

>massively increased rewards
>Skippable cutscenes

Pick one, full stop. Roulette EXP is based around a couple of factors, one of which is the expected time one will be spending in the instance. Hence why Castrum gives half the EXP prae does, because you're in it for half as long. If they ever gave an option for a vote for skippable cutscenes if its all vets, then the massively increased reward would also be nullified if the vote passed as you'd be doing a 45min instance in <15.

Which makes the vote irrelevant, as it would be once in a blue moon that it'd pass. People love their huge chunks of exp for basically doing the bare minimum, so why would anyone vote 'yes'?

There is no universe where they'll give an option for both increased rewards and skippable cutscenes. You give people an inch and they'll exploit it for a hundred miles. Hence why they forced the option that gives both sides what they want; new players can easily see all the cutscenes and bosses, and veterans get ridiculous amounts of exp for doing a few steps above being basically afk. Just turn on netflix and hit 1-2-3 like the rest.

[Kes13a]

Also I don't do msq roulette and you won't catch me in one of those dungeons even if I get it from mentor roulette.

kind of confused as to why you are commenting on this if its something you would never do lol. I mean, if you dont have a horse in the race....

[Iscah]

Why would you get the same rewards without new players?

The rewards are the same with it without new players as part of the enticement for the roulette. Once people are in there, they have to watch the cutscenes whether there's a new player or not, so it wouldn't be fair to base the majority of rewards on the presence of new players.

People here are trying to argue the rewards are based strictly on the cutscenes when its actually more specific to the new player experience to engage in the boss fights that ensues after them.

I don't see any "strictly" in this conversation. It's just two aspects of the same fact, and people aren't incorrect to say that the rewards are due to the cutscenes.

The dungeon cutscenes are unskippable for the sake of the new player experience.

The roulette rewards are generous because the cutscenes are unskippable.

[Andyhunter12]

Skip cutscenes and reduce rewards by 90%.

The rewards exist because of the cutscenes.

Just don't run the roulette if you don't want to spend the time...

How does that make any sense? The rewards exist because you are bored? what?

[Andyhunter12]

The rewards are the same with it without new players as part of the enticement for the roulette. Once people are in there, they have to watch the cutscenes whether there's a new player or not, so it wouldn't be fair to base the majority of rewards on the presence of new players.




I don't see any "strictly" in this conversation. It's just two aspects of the same fact, and people aren't incorrect to say that the rewards are due to the cutscenes.

The dungeon cutscenes are unskippable for the sake of the new player experience.

The roulette rewards are generous because the cutscenes are unskippable.

His point was that it should be a choice to skip the cutscenes if everyone has completed it already.

[Nethereal]

kind of confused as to why you are commenting on this if its something you would never do lol. I mean, if you dont have a horse in the race....

Because I used to run msq like everyone else and I've seen it all and understand why it happens? Your question is equivalent of asking why someone would know breaking someone's neck could possibly kill them, it's apparent.

Every once in a blue moon when I'm desperate enough for tomes I might run msq as well.

[Skivvy]

Not sure how you derived anything off of a situation you assume I'm a part of.
If I catch someone afking in one of my prat ones of course I'll accept a kick if it comes across my screen but I'm not delusional in not understanding that it really doesn't matter if they're afk or not.
Also I don't do msq roulette and you won't catch me in one of those dungeons even if I get it from mentor roulette.
Not mention you shouldn't use subjective terms like lazy because I could very easily say that everyone who doesn't log off to skip the cutscenes are "lazy".

You're advising people on how to AFK and cheese a Prae run just a few posts up. Then you mention that you would normally agree on kicking AFK people, but go on to state you can do it with 2-3 people and to hate the player, not the game. This would hint at you being OK with people cheesing Prae.

Now you're picking apart my usage of "lazy" when applied to people who decide to AFK an entire run.

If you're concerned about erroneously being grouped in with those players, perhaps you shouldn't defend and excuse the behavior quite so much.

[Alien_Gamer]

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Oh really? Are you serious or just that oblivious to what vets do in that dungeon?

For 6 years vets did exactly that. They skipped the CS and ran ahead without any explanations or help to the new players. For years new players complained about the issue and vets basically shrugged and said tough luck. For years new players came to the forums to ask devs to fix this.

Unskippable cut scenes is the fix.

And still we have vets using "alternate methods" of skipping cut scenes even when new players are present with the same responses. Tough luck, go watch it at an inn; my experience is more valuable than yours.

And you think they won't abuse a system if given an option to pick something? Face it, vets dug their own hole with this one, repeatedly, for years. And now they want to complain about it as if its somehow undeserved.

[Alxyzntlct]

How does that make any sense? The rewards exist because you are bored? what?

Oh no, that's not what Valkyrie was saying at all. It has nothing to do with boredom, it's the fact that the unskippable cutscenes are literally -the- reason why the rewards are what they are.

His point was that it should be a choice to skip the cutscenes if everyone has completed it already.

The OPs point is understood by everyone, but are flagging an issue with the logic because by introducing literally any method to skip the cutscenes, you defeat the point of them being unskippable now and also remove the point of the reward.

The point of the reward is to pay people for their time in doing the DF; it's not just doing the DF itself or as one other poster noted "getting to the bosses", it's experiencing the game and story in an intended manner.

Because the general playerbase isn't considerate enough to do that inherently, it had to be forced via unskippable cutscenes. And on top of that, to ensure players WOULD actually do them, the reward was tied to it.

Naturally, there's a portion of the playerbase that want the rewards without putting in the time, but again, that defeats the point.

Trust me, we all get it, but unlike seemingly a lot of others, we don't mind putting in the time to do it properly and ensure 1st time players (or anybody, really) can enjoy the game at a relatively decent pace and not be rushed through it.

[Kes13a]

Trust me, we all get it, but unlike seemingly a lot of others, we don't mind putting in the time to do it properly and ensure 1st time players (or anybody, really) can enjoy the game at a relatively decent pace and not be rushed through it.

not to mention, there are quite often some very enjoyable conversations and questions that pop up while the cutscenes run