MSQ cutscenes - Allow vote to skip if there are no first time/new players

[raelgun]

IIRC the rewards were increased when the cutscenes were made unskippable, and then a little bit later they were increased again because the first bribe increase was not large enough to get people to run the MSQ roulette with unskippable cutscenes on a regular basis.

The developers cannot easily make the cutscenes unskippable only in some cases, so therefore they are made unskippable in all cases.

It was increased twice to entice vets to help speed up the queue for the MSQ.

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Vets should not be punished in the event that that MSQ queue puts only vets together by the sake of rng, an option in this specific circumstance should be available to the players that wish to skip, they took the risk and chance and as a certain demographic of people say in this game, the DF pits you with anyone, but apparently people in this thread think vets should still be punished when done nothing wrong.

[Kes13a]

It was increased twice to entice vets to help speed up the queue for the MSQ.

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Vets should not be punished in the event that that MSQ queue puts only vets together by the sake of rng, an option in this specific circumstance should be available to the players that wish to skip, they took the risk and chance and as a certain demographic of people say in this game, the DF pits you with anyone, but apparently people in this thread think vets should still be punished when done nothing wrong.

vets only run the place for the rewards.

if the rewards arent there why would you go there. period. so skipping the scenes is kind of moot at that point.

[Fyrebrand]

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Imagine being the one new person in MSQ roulette, in a group of 7 other vets who now hate and resent you for being the sole cause of wasting their time with a bunch of long cutscenes. If they don't kick you immediately, or leave to try their luck with different group, they might just be rude to you or go AFK at the entrance until you give up and leave.

You can't give people like this even an inch. If there is any slim possibility of abusing the system or getting a group that will let you skip the cutscenes, they will find it. Apparently, there are people now who force-quit their client so they can log back in, load into the room, and proceed to kill the boss while others are still in a cutscene.

[Iscah]

Why would you get the same rewards without new players?

The rewards are the same with it without new players as part of the enticement for the roulette. Once people are in there, they have to watch the cutscenes whether there's a new player or not, so it wouldn't be fair to base the majority of rewards on the presence of new players.

People here are trying to argue the rewards are based strictly on the cutscenes when its actually more specific to the new player experience to engage in the boss fights that ensues after them.

I don't see any "strictly" in this conversation. It's just two aspects of the same fact, and people aren't incorrect to say that the rewards are due to the cutscenes.

The dungeon cutscenes are unskippable for the sake of the new player experience.

The roulette rewards are generous because the cutscenes are unskippable.

[Andyhunter12]

The rewards are the same with it without new players as part of the enticement for the roulette. Once people are in there, they have to watch the cutscenes whether there's a new player or not, so it wouldn't be fair to base the majority of rewards on the presence of new players.




I don't see any "strictly" in this conversation. It's just two aspects of the same fact, and people aren't incorrect to say that the rewards are due to the cutscenes.

The dungeon cutscenes are unskippable for the sake of the new player experience.

The roulette rewards are generous because the cutscenes are unskippable.

His point was that it should be a choice to skip the cutscenes if everyone has completed it already.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

It was increased twice to entice vets to help speed up the queue for the MSQ.

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Vets should not be punished in the event that that MSQ queue puts only vets together by the sake of rng, an option in this specific circumstance should be available to the players that wish to skip, they took the risk and chance and as a certain demographic of people say in this game, the DF pits you with anyone, but apparently people in this thread think vets should still be punished when done nothing wrong.

>massively increased rewards
>Skippable cutscenes

Pick one, full stop. Roulette EXP is based around a couple of factors, one of which is the expected time one will be spending in the instance. Hence why Castrum gives half the EXP prae does, because you're in it for half as long. If they ever gave an option for a vote for skippable cutscenes if its all vets, then the massively increased reward would also be nullified if the vote passed as you'd be doing a 45min instance in <15.

Which makes the vote irrelevant, as it would be once in a blue moon that it'd pass. People love their huge chunks of exp for basically doing the bare minimum, so why would anyone vote 'yes'?

There is no universe where they'll give an option for both increased rewards and skippable cutscenes. You give people an inch and they'll exploit it for a hundred miles. Hence why they forced the option that gives both sides what they want; new players can easily see all the cutscenes and bosses, and veterans get ridiculous amounts of exp for doing a few steps above being basically afk. Just turn on netflix and hit 1-2-3 like the rest.

[Alien_Gamer]

No one is asking for the Cutscenes to be skipped with new players are present that wish to view the cutscenes and take part in the fights.

Oh really? Are you serious or just that oblivious to what vets do in that dungeon?

For 6 years vets did exactly that. They skipped the CS and ran ahead without any explanations or help to the new players. For years new players complained about the issue and vets basically shrugged and said tough luck. For years new players came to the forums to ask devs to fix this.

Unskippable cut scenes is the fix.

And still we have vets using "alternate methods" of skipping cut scenes even when new players are present with the same responses. Tough luck, go watch it at an inn; my experience is more valuable than yours.

And you think they won't abuse a system if given an option to pick something? Face it, vets dug their own hole with this one, repeatedly, for years. And now they want to complain about it as if its somehow undeserved.