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  1. #441
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icycrits View Post
    Yet. But I'm sure there will be plenty of people coming to its defense when it does arrive, as seen in this thread.
    I hope it never comes, or square will get same fate as blizzard. By the way, why journalist thinks that square must copy everything of blizz? I saw a video of a reporter asking yoshi P about 1.0 launch in comparison of wow classic...and thought "we dont need follow blizz company on everything" (wen SDB was about to launch)

    its been long wow stopped seen as a game and become a "religion" (no ofence)
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    Last edited by Fellgon; 08-15-2021 at 08:46 AM.

  2. #442
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zkieve View Post
    diferent acording to who.To you?
    were you on ffx1 forums arguing with the white knights who kept saying game was fine?No you were not.
    Do you think this is new to me seen everyone praising the previous game director for the " excelent graphics " while game was on such a poor state before, and absolutly everyone on the forums defending them?

    Couse i have seen this trend and i for one dont like it.

    It starts slow, and ill say it now , i dont like it and nighter should you ( if you love the game and dont want it to be a p2W)
    if you dont care about the game, then just ignore it.
    it does not affects you, but some people are passionate about the MMOS we play and dont want to see it go to shit.
    if you think " 1 mount is ok" you clearly dont understand were this is going so its pointless to try to explain were this is leading.
    Do you think yoshiP was "welcomed with open arms on FFX 1.0?"do you even know how that whent down?
    Keep defending this stuff, keep allowing companies to do whatever they want.when game keep throwing more and more stuff into swipe credit card to win on a game were glam and mounts/collections are end game,
    We will see were this leads the game.
    Nothing slow about it, SE added frequently stuff to the store in the same amount as they always do since the dawn of time. It's not like it is getting worse or anything. It is as good/bad as it always has been. Sure today there is more to buy than back then but it build up over time in the same pace as it always has been.

    Especially fair i find the seasonal rewards, since players who didn't play the game back then also didn't paid their sub fee. So it's good that they have to pay for it since we also had to pay for that month to get our rewards from a seasonal event.

    You sound like a doomsday preacher tbh. Sure SE wants to grow and sell stuff, sure they want to make profit. That's how this world works, lol. And tbh i am glad it does, someone has to pay the bills. And XIV obviously makes the most money for SE and they put that into other projects, like XVI which hopefully won't be a launch disaster like XV.

    Btw. your character really fits your nihilism, i like that.
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  3. #443
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    Nothing slow about it, SE added frequently stuff to the store in the same amount as they always do since the dawn of time. It's not like it is getting worse or anything. It is as good/bad as it always has been. Sure today there is more to buy than back then but it build up over time in the same pace as it always has been.

    Especially fair i find the seasonal rewards, since players who didn't play the game back then also didn't paid their sub fee. So it's good that they have to pay for it since we also had to pay for that month to get our rewards from a seasonal event.

    You sound like a doomsday preacher tbh. Sure SE wants to grow and sell stuff, sure they want to make profit. That's how this world works, lol. And tbh i am glad it does, someone has to pay the bills. And XIV obviously makes the most money for SE and they put that into other projects, like XVI which hopefully won't be a launch disaster like XV.

    Btw. your character really fits your nihilism, i like that.
    I hope from the bottom of my hearth you are rigth and i am wrong.
    I truly do,

    but i seen it happend so often, and this is an iconic mount, it does not belong in an exclusive paywall(unlike everything until now)
    time will tell.

    past the praise : i do rly loathe the continous comments regarding how multidollar companies needs " our support" buying overpriced stuff to "suppor them.", i rly do.
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    Last edited by Zkieve; 08-15-2021 at 08:46 AM.

  4. #444
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellgon View Post
    theres no p2w in that mount, you dont run faster dont get stats buff or anything, its just a skin. I see no problem in buying mounts, no matter how it looks, the money we put there will be used to improve the game.
    "the money we put there will be used to improve the game."

    I could list a dozen things that people have wanted improved upon for years, and the excuse is always "We don't have enough resources"

    Most notably, improvements upon game engine.
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  5. #445
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zkieve View Post
    I hope from the bottom of your hearth you are rigth and i am wrong.
    Me too, me too. You can be sure if they tie mounts to gametime like blizz does/did i will also protest. xD

    But i think SE has always been really fair with their cash shop. It's not a cashcow like BDO, which people still defend and i can't understand how.

    I can even understand the story skips and boosts. If players want to boost their characters that is fine to me, if they want to just play the endgame. And i think it's fair that they pay for it, since they skip the stuff that would take them time and thus they don't have to pay the sub fee for the months that they would need to level/play through the story. Ofc they don't learn how to play their job, wish there would be a better tutorial for that but yeah.
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  6. #446
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velnora View Post
    "the money we put there will be used to improve the game."

    I could list a dozen things that people have wanted improved upon for years, and the excuse is always "We don't have enough resources"

    Most notably, improvements upon game engine.
    i dont understand mutch about engines, but ill asume if it improved we going need more hardware to play, more powerfull hardware are expensive, and so players will need upgrade PC and laptop.
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  7. #447
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    It's not like it is getting worse or anything.
    This is the fundamental point of disagreement that a lot of the people defending the mount seem to not understand. This is the first mount they have added to the game that arguably belongs in the game, not in the store. This is an iconic boss in XIV, boss mounts are all sacred. Square Enix is testing the waters and seeing if they can get away with putting mounts in the store that belong in-game. Yes, I'm aware of Sleipnir and I don't like that mount either, but that's more of a gray area.

    So I disagree, the number of mounts per year isn't going up (yet) but the overstepping is. I mean, where else can you get an 8-seater in-game? It is getting worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    Me too, me too. You can be sure if they tie mounts to gametime like blizz does/did i will also protest. xD

    But i think SE has always been really fair with their cash shop. It's not a cashcow like BDO, which people still defend and i can't understand how.

    I can even understand the story skips and boosts. If players want to boost their characters that is fine to me, if they want to just play the endgame. And i think it's fair that they pay for it, since they skip the stuff that would take them time and thus they don't have to pay the sub fee for the months that they would need to level/play through the story. Ofc they don't learn how to play their job, wish there would be a better tutorial for that but yeah.
    Thats exactly the point tought, they have been fair " up until now".
    BDO is easy to explain, is a free game with no subscription game model.cash shop its justified.
    regarding boosting,Boosting is making the game content shorter, if thats your thing, im fine with it.
    They will be looking for a new game withing a month or two if you bost, thats the player choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellgon View Post
    i dont understand mutch about engines, but ill asume if it improved we going need more hardware to play, more powerfull hardware are expensive, and so players will need upgrade PC and laptop.
    Improvements on the engine would likely have the opposite effect. Hardware isn't an issue. It's a terribly flawed, dated engine. This game has so much potential, that is held back by this sorry excuse of an engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icycrits View Post
    This is the fundamental point of disagreement that a lot of the people defending the mount seem to not understand. This is the first mount they have added to the game that arguably belongs in the game, not in the store. This is an iconic boss in XIV, boss mounts are all sacred. Square Enix is testing the waters and seeing if they can get away with putting mounts in the store that belong in-game. Yes, I'm aware of Sleipnir and I don't like that mount either, but that's more of a gray area.

    So I disagree, the number of mounts per year isn't going up (yet) but the overstepping is. I mean, where else can you get an 8-seater in-game? It is getting worse.
    ohh i see now...this mount you can have inside the game and now its in stores?
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