Lack of pve content

[technole]

OP needs a reality check. There are several current end-game options and they all take time to do. Eden Savage, DR savage, TEA, raids as full blue mages, etc. There is no shortage of end-game battle options. The amount of people who actually done everything is actually such a low % like the mrhappys of the land because they attacked the content immediately on-release, world prog style.

2 weeks total? You must be the top of the top then.

For most players it's several weeks to months to clear a tier or 1 ultimate.

Yep, lets look at a mainstream example like Zepla. She took over 70 hours of progression to clear TEA with her group. 15 raid nights, where most groups do just 2-3x nights a week tops. The math is simple.

[Catwho]

New expac dungeon bosses also serve as an introduction to mechanics that were used previously only in Extreme trials or in Savage raids, I've noticed. If leveling dungeons are meant as tutorials, then it makes sense to introduce mechanics in a low stakes environment. Then when someone encounters a mechanic in a more difficult fight, they can go "Oh yeah I know what to do here."

[Alexandre_Noireau]

I'm sorry... but... the players did nothing. You participated in a grind that was ultimately meaningless. The Ishgarde housing would be added either way.

This is not a sandbox - you didn't build anything.

Not to mention it's dead content now basically. A literal waste of developing time. A needlessly complicated parasitic system added to give something shortly meaningful for some.
Unless the Ishgardian Restoration would become a recurrent event, like, each few months The Firmament needed again many crafters to maintain it - Opening the ladderboards and rewards again for the next batch of crafters, but no.

Now is dead and worthless.

This kind of design needs to go.

[TeraRamis]

"Ultimately Meaningless"

I'm so glad we're back to the point of arguments where we're insanely reductive and not the least bit productive or supportive.

Everything in this game is ultimately meaningless.

Everything in THIS GAME ultimately is. But that isn't really true of sandboxes or sandparks - or, at least, it is less true by degrees. If they follow through on promises, every server in Ashes of Creation will be different, because houses, farms, towns, castles, etc. will all be built by the players, and their actions - individual and collective - will determine how the world looks. Now, yes, in the grand scheme of things, that's still meaningless. But at least your in-game actions produced a tangible result that is discernably altered from the results of other people. In FFXIV, we don't do anything that matters - ever. At least not as far as the game world is concerned.

And, frankly, I don't give a crap if that's supportive - I'm telling it like it is, not feeding into a delusion. The Ishgarde restoration did nothing. It was a system. Housing there will be added. We achieved zero. That's just how this game is.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Everything in THIS GAME ultimately is. But that isn't really true of sandboxes or sandparks - or, at least, it is less true by degrees. If they follow through on promises, every server in Ashes of Creation will be different, because houses, farms, towns, castles, etc. will all be built by the players, and their actions - individual and collective - will determine how the world looks. Now, yes, in the grand scheme of things, that's still meaningless. But at least your in-game actions produced a tangible result that is discernably altered from the results of other people. In FFXIV, we don't do anything that matters - ever. At least not as far as the game world is concerned.

And, frankly, I don't give a crap if that's supportive - I'm telling it like it is, not feeding into a delusion. The Ishgarde restoration did nothing. It was a system. Housing there will be added. We achieved zero. That's just how this game is.

People keep talking up ashes of creation, but I played an alpha build at pax like 5 years ago and it STILL HASN'T Released?!


I feel like it's going to release and fizzle out at this point. Too much hype that can't live up to its promises. Just like every other "killer" MMO that's released since 2.0

[Alexandre_Noireau]

People keep talking up ashes of creation, but I played an alpha build at pax like 5 years ago and it STILL HASN'T Released?!

Maybe they are truly developing it with player feedback into consideration.

Unlike certain company that released the worse MMORPG of the last decade by being obtuse and secretive about it.

Then they fixed it though, but the new guy in charge is also obtuse and secretive sometimes and insist on adding content that is sooner than later dead and irrelevant.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Maybe they are truly developing it with player feedback into consideration.

Unlike certain company that released the worse MMORPG of the last decade by being obtuse and secretive about it.

Then they fixed it though, but the new guy in charge is also obtuse and secretive sometimes and insist on adding content that is sooner than later dead and irrelevant.

Doubt it. People said the same things about arch age, BDO, eso, etc, etc...


I am looking forward to it releasing tho, so all its fan boys can hop over.


Will be curious to see how long the grass is greener.

I've played a dozen MMOs, it never is.

[DragoAskani]

Theyre only struggling because they never look at our forums. They look to the likes of reddit and twitter or the jp forums which have a vocal minority. Lots of people have expressed sadness at them not including an allied beast tribe quest this expansion, along with hildibrand. They decided not to implement hildy because to them it was "stale." Yet they didnt ask their playerbase what they thought? A deep dungeon expansion would be nice, with more unique mechanics and gameplay than weve seen before. I'd prefer we get more dungeons honestly, because i havent seen an improvement in dungeons this expansion as opposed to previous ones. In fact id argue theyve been worse as ShB post patch dungeons are incredibly streamlined AND yoshi p said theyre streamlining them even more in 6.0 which....no one really asked for. Create some overworld content so we actually explore it. The new fate system was a step in the right direction but theres so much more they could do with the world.

Looking at these forums isn't the solution either. As forums posts tend to be populated by the vocal minority more often then not.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Doubt it. People said the same things about arch age, BDO, eso, etc, etc...

Asuming BDO or ESO are bad games or doing badly?
Man, some people really can't be bothered to listen outside their echo chamber, look outside their bubble. Well, in the rest of the civilized world MMORPGs have been stagnant in design for close to two decades now.

Being the only well off on a sinking ship doesn't change the fact the ship is sinking. Particullary meaninful hindsight in the light of certain bad news in the real life server.

[KizuyaKatogami]

People keep talking up ashes of creation, but I played an alpha build at pax like 5 years ago and it STILL HASN'T Released?!


I feel like it's going to release and fizzle out at this point. Too much hype that can't live up to its promises. Just like every other "killer" MMO that's released since 2.0

Funny you’re saying this as if 1.0 didn’t absolutely bomb to the point the dev had to apologize for how bad it was LMAO. It’s almost like they’re taking the time to perfect an mmo. Imagine bashing another mmo when the current one has to make excuse after excuse of why they can’t implement simple things smaller mmo’s have perfected. Give me a break.