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    Player KizuyaKatogami's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    What huge amount of fake deaths? Or rather whom? Are you talking about Y'stola being caught in the aetherial sea? I am not sure about this huge amount you are talking about?
    Yshtola in ARR,HW,SB,and ShB. All the scions at the end of ARR. Thancred in ShB. Graha in 5.3, arguably base ShB. Yotsuyu and Gosetsu in SB. Probably more that i’m missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Yshtola in ARR,HW,SB,and ShB. All the scions at the end of ARR. Thancred in ShB. Graha in 5.3, arguably base ShB. Yotsuyu and Gosetsu in SB. Probably more that i’m missing.
    Don't forget the original and most infamous -- Nanamo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokke View Post
    Because they invented a completely new personality to sell us a new mandatory bff immediately after a heroic and touching death scene. In the CT quests/SHB storyline he was eager to work with us and looked up to us but he didn't trip over his feet wiggle ears OwO UwU w-w-wol kun~ around us. I liked the exarch, I liked 2.x graha. I do not like what I've been saddled with.
    Yep. I wasn't really a huge fan of Graha from the CT times but it wasn't that big a deal because he was a side character that barely existed. As Exarch he became interesting and actually mostly likeable, but his story completed in a very satisfying way. The choice of self sacrifice from such an innocent place suited the character and gave him closure. Post-Exarch they not only resurrected the goofy, overbearing WoL fanboy he used to be but also amped him up by 1000% to be a goofy, overbearing completely besotted WoL stalker that you're forced into having in your adventuring party. It wasn't just robbing the character of a natural end to his story, it was turning him into a weaponized retcon aimed squarely at those who didn't find him "Oh so adorable and perfect and must protecc" before.
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    I hope everybody is ready for him to be omnipresent in EW considering he's ishikawa's husbando
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Yshtola in ARR,HW,SB,and ShB.
    Being fair, the ARR and HW examples are the same incident. She disappeared in 2.5 and wasn't found until near the end of 3.0.
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  6. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Being fair, the ARR and HW examples are the same incident. She disappeared in 2.5 and wasn't found until near the end of 3.0.
    HW one i meant when they gave her the consequence of her eyesight causing her health to supposedly deteriorate only for it to never pull through.I think they even mention it could eventually kill her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    I hope everybody is ready for him to be omnipresent in EW considering he's ishikawa's husbando
    I would certainly hope the writers dont let their personal favorites dictate what direction the story goes. Part of being a good writer is staying unbiased with the characters you write.
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    Last edited by KizuyaKatogami; 08-08-2021 at 04:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cebo View Post
    Don't forget the original and most infamous -- Nanamo.
    Vidofnir, Honoraint... to mention a few lesser ones.
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  8. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    HW one i meant when they gave her the consequence of her eyesight causing her health to supposedly deteriorate only for it to never pull through.I think they even mention it could eventually kill her.
    Which is still a consequence of the first use of Flow, not a separate near-death fakeout.
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  9. #169
    Player KizuyaKatogami's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Which is still a consequence of the first use of Flow, not a separate near-death fakeout.
    Isn’t it the use of the crystal eye that causes the deterioration? If it is then that’s technically a separate event. She could choose not to use it. My point is that it’s a separate event that has the consequence of death, but after that point it isn’t even mentioned anymore and there’s no signs of deterioration, in fact in shb she gets a power up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Isn’t it the use of the crystal eye that causes the deterioration? If it is then that’s technically a separate event. She could choose not to use it. My point is that it’s a separate event that has the consequence of death, but after that point it isn’t even mentioned anymore and there’s no signs of deterioration, in fact in shb she gets a power up.
    Look carefully at the scenes right after she wakes up after being rescued from the Lifestream. Her eyes have already gone gray. Nobody seems to notice until Matoya asks her about it later. (Also, it's Krile who actually uses the Crystal Eye.)

    There's no real consequence for it because it's supposed to take time off of her lifespan, but the game's timeline has barely moved since then. Unless a significant time skip happens, it'll never matter.
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