*SPOILERS* Terrified for the remaining Scions!

[KizuyaKatogami]

That could be because of how they look. We were told in the last patch that Elezen look like teens until they are much older, so Ryne may just be making assumptions. But also when asked the devs have stated to not worry about it. However we know from in game quests and text that its been at least a couple years since ARR.

What quests or texts state this? Because the twins are still regarded as underage, that doesnt have to do with appearance. The way ryne compared them definitely wasn’t making assumptions as i’m sure she was told of their age lol. Mentally they may be older due to the first shenanigans, but physically they’re still the same age they were before.

[Elladie]

Honestly I don't care about the identites of the players and if they are book writers. What I care about is the continuation of the journey of the WoL. I didn't say there should be no death I said I would rather they give the WoL a failure or two or a journey of their own. Or that we become dispondent and want to persue who we are. That is why I asked are we even a being who was born into this world or some vessel that carries the crystals essence? Hear, feel, think. These are words in my mind of a created being specifically made to be the WoL being breathed life into. But, think do we as a portrait of the WoL really have a past? I want us to falter along the way to feel dispair and know we are a part of the world. The scions are to me like a group of friends some fall along the way and some just fade away. Not unlike real life. I want a deeper delve into the WoL and who they really are. But to kill the scions all off is not really moving the story along. Honestly I love this story I will not disparage the author as some have done in this thread. I can say what I want without being a diva thinking my opinion is the only one. I just don't thinking killing them all is the way to achieve that end.

The WoL only has a past if you - their creator - gives them one. That's not for the MSQ to do, that's all in your hands and your imagination. You sound as though it would surprise you to discover how detailed the silent, offscreen story is for a lot of PCs. And how much we would all scream and shout if the MSQ tried to impose 'character development' or 'backstory' on us. Because the WoL never directly says anything of significance, they can be whatever their creator chooses.

Elai dislikes most of the Scions; she is fed up of being used by them, treated like a weapon, expected to do what they say without question. She's close to cussing the lot of them and walking out. She has lots of friends but they're not Scions (apart from Estinien now), they're other NPCs or PCs (the characters, not the players, the players are friends of mine. Elai is not me, she is a character I have created in a story I am telling, with some help from SE)

Oh, and if some plot twist doesn't kill off G'raha finally, Elai will do it herself.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I can't recall any official statement of just how much time has passed since ARR. Probably to handwave why children in the game (like Khloe Aliapoh, for example) never age.

[MikkoAkure]

I can't recall any official statement of just how much time has passed since ARR. Probably to handwave why children in the game (like Khloe Aliapoh, for example) never age.

According to the writers, there is no passage of time since ARR, despite quests referencing other events as being happened "a year ago" etc. We're stuck in a Simpsons time bubble until they decide otherwise.

A: Long ago, you mentioned that 1.0 took place in a “Simpsons Time Bubble.” Are we still in a bubble? Or does time move now that we know Patch = Canon?

KF: It’s still a bubble; you have to have a bubble. There are players joining in Heavensward that are starting at the beginning. The bubble’s just gotten bigger.

Maybe after Endwalker, there will be a time skip and the twins will be adults if they make a cameo.

[RyuDragnier]

What quests or texts state this? Because the twins are still regarded as underage, that doesnt have to do with appearance. The way ryne compared them definitely wasn’t making assumptions as i’m sure she was told of their age lol. Mentally they may be older due to the first shenanigans, but physically they’re still the same age they were before.

Quoting dialogue from Bajsaljen from the Save the Queen questline about the Bozja Incident. Giving the full talk for context purposes.

It was roughly twenty years ago, if I'm not mistaken. The Empire, fearful of the threat posed by primals and hte tribes who summoned them, devised a plan to wipe them out. The Meteor project. Through the use of magitek, they intended to recreate ancient sorcery capable of calling down meteors. At the helm of the project was their chief engineer, Midas nan Garlond. In time, every last one of their research facilities was involved in its development. The project would take a perilous turn when it was discovered that the lesser moon Dalamud was, in fact, a satellite of Allagan design. They were determined to make it part of their plans. And so they erected a colossal transmission tower, designed to control Dalamud. Its first test would also prove to be its last...

For lack of eyewitnesses, what happened next is difficult to describe. It is often described as an explosion, but the ruins showed no signs of gunpowder or magic. We only know that a terrible light shown from the heavens that night. In an instant, the citadel was gone. Its citizens and soldiers...my family...

It is a terrifying thought that Bahamut is the reason Dalamud responded with such destructive force, but needless to say, all work on the Meteor project was halted immediately. Five years later, however, Nael van Darnus set the wheels of the project back into motion. His devotion was rewarded with the coming of the Seventh Umbral Calamity. The world has already paid too great a cost for the Garleans' ambition... They must be stopped.

Considering Dalamud dropping was 5 years ago from the start of ARR, yet he mentions 20 years ago when ARR mentions that the Bozja Incident was 15 years ago, it means its been around 5 years ingame.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Quoting dialogue from Bajsaljen from the Save the Queen questline about the Bozja Incident. Giving the full talk for context purposes.



Considering Dalamud dropping was 5 years ago from the start of ARR, yet he mentions 20 years ago when ARR mentions that the Bozja Incident was 15 years ago, it means its been around 5 years ingame.

Eh, dunno how much that really translates into the actual game. Yoshi P himself has said iirc the game revolves around a time bubble. That could just be an oversight on their part or perhaps the npc truly is mistaken. But if it has been 5 years alisaie and alphinaud would’ve had their growth spurt by now lol.

[Rosenstrauch]

Apparently someone went through the effort of cataloguing the known timeline of FFXIV—it lists the Bozja incident as having taken place in the year 1562, while the events of 1.0 take place in the year 1572 and 2.0 begins five years after that. Note that the timeline given doesn't delineate any advancement through the years after that, however. Because of that, I'm inclined to believe that Baj's line is either an error or a retcon, placing the date of the Bozja incident further back in the timeline. I'd need to see other evidence corroborating this to believe otherwise.

For example, Cid is 34 at the start of A Realm Reborn (2.0), and naturally would've been 29 during 1.0. If five years had passed since the beginning of ARR, then Cid would naturally be 39 now instead. This would work out to Cid being 14 or 19 depending on if the comment was a retcon, an error, or evidence of time passing.

Is Cid's age ever mentioned during the Bozja content? 'cause I can't remember if it has.

EDIT: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...y_XIV_timeline The aforementioned timeline. Notably, it lists Yda Hext's death in the year 1572, and from what I recall she's said to have died six years ago when this is actually brought up in the story. So unless the events of Stormblood+Shadowbringers took four whole years, Baj's comment may just be an error.

[MikkoAkure]

I wouldn't put any stock in fan-made timelines considering that the writers themselves have contradicted themselves over and over. Until someone from the dev team specifically says what year it is now, it's best to go along with what Koji said and that we're in a time bubble.

If 5 years had passed since ARR, then the twins would be 21 now, which doesn't make any sense considering there are fully grown adult elezen who are 21 according to the lore book. It's easier to assume that the writers for Bozja made a mistake or the character over-generalized than to say that the whole story has progressed a lot further than anything else would suggest.

[RyuDragnier]

I wouldn't put any stock in fan-made timelines considering that the writers themselves have contradicted themselves over and over. Until someone from the dev team specifically says what year it is now, it's best to go along with what Koji said and that we're in a time bubble.

If 5 years had passed since ARR, then the twins would be 21 now, which doesn't make any sense considering there are fully grown adult elezen who are 21 according to the lore book. It's easier to assume that the writers for Bozja made a mistake or the character over-generalized than to say that the whole story has progressed a lot further than anything else would suggest.

Want to know what wouldn't make sense right now with a time bubble? That every expansion up until now was done in a single year. THAT is far worse of a nonsensical logic, and I question the sanity of anybody, ANYBODY who believes such rubbish. No, the fanmade timelines make more sense.

[Rannie]

it's still happening in that time bubble however. Encyclopedia Eorzea Volume HAS the official time line in it minus some varying Retcons which make things happen at an earlier date than was previously said to keep everything in the time bubble year for ARR at 1577 some of this is on page 52 of EE V1. Also when when you start up a new game plus for StormBlood it states 25 years go for when DOMA was invaded by Garlemald. Which corresponds to when Doma was invaded and taken over in EE V1. If I had the book with me currently (at work) I would give you the exact page number and the exact year that it happened. So far there has only be minor retcons for the year things happen in but the never change the date for the time bubble that we are currently in. Again which is 1577 and the twins are 16 which, if memory serves me correctly, Alphinaud still states that he's that age when he's talking to Arenvald.


Also another Mention of the time and it still being in 1577 is when we are helping you know who with a gundam and the Elezen from Ala Mhigo reminds us that 20 years ago Ala Mhigo fell, again falling in line with not only when it fell as well as when Ascillia's (Minfillia's) own father fell to the Gobbue 10 years prior to the start of 1.0 and the fall of Dalamud