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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Well, that should please some people at least with them not being mandatory. CT is a bit of a sore spot for some for whatever reason. It is neither long, difficult nor grindy.
    It shows up too often in Alliance Raid Roulette. Simply because you can cheese the ilvl search on the roulette by removing enough gear, which will then force the DR to look for an AR fitting that ilvl...meaning only CT raids. It's an exploit we've been wanting them to fix for a while, because there's nothing more annoying then getting Syrcus Tower for a full month in a row. That's not hyperbole either, that happens, to a LOT of players (it happened to me during 5.0).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    We have a LOT of optional content that is done in its own time bubble with characters acting like they had their memories of us or later events wiped. They made CT mandatory so that people could feel any emotional impact for later ShB msq moments.
    Which instances are you talking about of characters losing memories of us?

    My experience with the game is that consistently if you have not done the events yourself, they have not happened at all and will not be acknowledged in later content. But if you have done them, other characters will remember you.

    The only time "time bubble amnesia" happens is when you-the-player put events out of the order that you-the-character are supposed to experience them. Level 50 Alisaie in the Binding Coil will not "remember" meeting you in Ishgard at level 60, because she hasn't yet. You've stepped back to an earlier point in her personal timeline. But at level 60 she will acknowledge your progress in the Coil storyline, whatever state that may be in.

    So long as you are correctly moving forward in time (ie. playing side content as it becomes available), characters will remember earlier incidents with you.

    And CT was definitely made mandatory due to events, not just for emotional impact.
    They were happy to leave it optional up until 5.3 happened, because before that it could be excused with time-travel logic that CT happened at some point between "now" and the other timeline's calamity, but now it's impossible that G'raha is asleep in the tower (to be awoken by you in 5.3) if he hasn't gone in there yet. So CT needs to happen first to put him in that position.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 08-05-2021 at 03:09 PM.

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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Well, that should please some people at least with them not being mandatory. CT is a bit of a sore spot for some for whatever reason. It is neither long, difficult nor grindy.
    It's mainly because it's boring and for some, it's all they get in Roulette... so they (I) eventually stop using Crystal Tower Roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeraRamis View Post
    My character isn't the warrior of light. She's just a dragoon... a dragoon who doesn't possess the echo. This is one of those places where the story and MMORPG pieces of the game simply cannot coexist - we can't all be the WOL; not when acknowledging the thousands of other players sharing this world with us. I therefore happily surrender any claim to the mantle of 'hero' - his/her journey is not my own.
    I dunno if that's a personal RP, but within the canon of the msq, your character IS the Warrior of Light - the "chosen one" if you will. All the other player characters around you are vaguely written off as either other adventurers, or not there at all. The story wouldn't function otherwise.

    If you want to create your own story, that's perfectly fine - but it's gotta be separate from the official main story within the game. After all, what we're discussing here is plot-relevant stuff.
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    But I don't waaannna do the Omega raids, people will yell at me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    But I don't waaannna do the Omega raids, people will yell at me.
    I highly recommend them! They're some of my favorite fights. If you're feeling nervous, I recommend letting people know it's your first time and maybe even apologize ahead of time for any mistakes. People are generally very forgiving and supportive.

    I normally would recommend looking up a guide, but I don't want you to spoil yourself!
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    But I don't waaannna do the Omega raids, people will yell at me.
    Normal mode is easy enough these days to where it's doubtful people will yell at you, especially if you're DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I dunno if that's a personal RP, but within the canon of the msq, your character IS the Warrior of Light - the "chosen one" if you will. All the other player characters around you are vaguely written off as either other adventurers, or not there at all. The story wouldn't function otherwise.

    If you want to create your own story, that's perfectly fine - but it's gotta be separate from the official main story within the game. After all, what we're discussing here is plot-relevant stuff.
    We cannot all be the actual WoL. The MSQ instances, to a degree, even acknowledge this - we head in there with other players (who are shown prominently during the dialogue scenes), and it's made pretty clear that they aren't the WoL (and I am sure that I have appeared as some anonymous shlub in plenty of their cutscenes over the years). Thus, as far as the data displayed on every other console and PC's is concerned, I am not the WoL.

    Yes, FFXIV is definitely spinning a yarn which we are forced to take part in, and while we can (if we want) claim a collective little nibble of that tale, it really isn't our story - it's Ardbert's unnamed 'source' alter-ego's story. And that's perfectly fine. Eorzea is a big enough world for other dreams to exist, and while the game may not loftily ordain them as canon, it certainly doesn't rule the majority of them out, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    It's because when the Thunder god raids were new and even now people would abuse the system by taking off gear and you'd ONLY get the CT raids. It got so bad people just stopped unlocking CT so it would push them into the new raids. But Square fucked that by making CT required. So thats where some of the salt comes from.
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    It shows up too often in Alliance Raid Roulette. Simply because you can cheese the ilvl search on the roulette by removing enough gear, which will then force the DR to look for an AR fitting that ilvl...meaning only CT raids. It's an exploit we've been wanting them to fix for a while, because there's nothing more annoying then getting Syrcus Tower for a full month in a row. That's not hyperbole either, that happens, to a LOT of players (it happened to me during 5.0).
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    It's mainly because it's boring and for some, it's all they get in Roulette... so they (I) eventually stop using Crystal Tower Roulette.
    That is not what I was referring to. I've seen more than a few people in game (sprouts/returners for that matter) complaining about having to do CT at all to get to Shadowbringers. I am not talking about veteran players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeraRamis View Post
    We cannot all be the actual WoL. The MSQ instances, to a degree, even acknowledge this - we head in there with other players (who are shown prominently during the dialogue scenes), and it's made pretty clear that they aren't the WoL (and I am sure that I have appeared as some anonymous shlub in plenty of their cutscenes over the years). Thus, as far as the data displayed on every other console and PC's is concerned, I am not the WoL.

    Yes, FFXIV is definitely spinning a yarn which we are forced to take part in, and while we can (if we want) claim a collective little nibble of that tale, it really isn't our story - it's Ardbert's unnamed 'source' alter-ego's story. And that's perfectly fine. Eorzea is a big enough world for other dreams to exist, and while the game may not loftily ordain them as canon, it certainly doesn't rule the majority of them out, either.
    We can all be the WoL, because the game's design and narrative allows for it. The story is in fact centered around us, and Ardbert is basically another version of us, and us of him.

    The game isn't real life. There can actually be a different WoL for each person that plays the game. It's like having a personalized novel with your main character being the star. And millions of people around the world also have a personalized novel just like it.

    Again, nothing wrong with having a personal head canon. But this has been confirmed and talked about by Yoshi-P himself.
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    Last edited by Wilford111; 08-05-2021 at 04:03 PM.

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