Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

[RyuDragnier]

I don't mind seeing EX fights in Mentor roulette. Last 2 weeks I've seen a bunch of ARR and HW EXs I haven't seen in years and get to remember the fights with a bunch of players new to it. I have yet to see one we haven't cleared within the timer. We had a Sophia run completed at the last minute, and jokes were thrown around about how we all needed to go on diets if we're screwing up a scale that easily.

[Nethereal]

I think they should also add all savages. Everything that makes the life of these burgerking crown wearing players more difficult.

Or make it that way that mentor roulette groups mentors up with only other mentors. That way we could bring this awful scourge to an end.

I'm all for that, it would just make it even more obvious some players aren't ready for certain content. It's already not great in pf, imagine the memes that could be had in df.

[SturmChurro]

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It's simple really, if a mentor is unwilling to potentially have to assist players in extreme content, they can just not queue for the mentor roulette. If they are so interested in helping other players, they can manually select duties, or do the other roulettes in the duty finder. As the Astrope is supposedly meaningless, no mentor should care that they cannot work towards it specifically. At least they are there helping players!

[Eien713]

It's simple really, if a mentor is unwilling to potentially have to assist players in extreme content, they can just not queue for the mentor roulette. If they are so interested in helping other players, they can manually select duties, or do the other roulettes in the duty finder. As the Astrope is supposedly meaningless, no mentor should care that they cannot work towards it specifically. At least they are there helping players!

Again, define "helping."

[SturmChurro]

Again, define "helping."

Providing gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players, being an exemplar for player etiquette.

[Eien713]

Providing gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players, being an exemplar for player etiquette.

And why is this only limited to ex trials? Mentors can do this all the time in any other instance and even in the open world.

[SturmChurro]

And why is this only limited to ex trials? Mentors can do this all the time in any other instance and even in the open world.

When queueing for 'Duty Roulette: Mentor' mentor status is automatically turned on, it's kind of expected for a player to mentor in it. I also stated, that a mentor can 'mentor' outside of this specific roulette. If a "mentor" doesn't want to potentially have to 'mentor' extremes they don't have to queue for it, simple as that.

[Eien713]

When queueing for 'Duty Roulette: Mentor' mentor status is automatically turned on, it's kind of expected for a player to mentor in it. I also stated, that a mentor can 'mentor' outside of this specific roulette. If a "mentor" doesn't want to potentially have to 'mentor' extremes they don't have to queue for it, simple as that.

Lemme tell you a little story. Yesterday, I joined a PF of people wanting to clear Garuda Ex. We eventually got a party with everyone agreeing to do the trial synced. Since we were all mentally prepared to do this and the newbies had done their homework, it was way easier to get the clear by explaining a few things here and there. Since we did great with Garuda (cleared it on first pull), we decided to do Titan next. A few hiccups here and there but we managed to clear. Ifrit was next and it was a bit more challenging than the other two. But with a few explanations here and there, some strategizing, and a bit of practice, we managed to clear. Those 3 fights were so fun to do. We were all doing our best and working together with no one slacking off or expecting a carry. Granted, I went as a healer to be able to save the runs as much as possible since I'm very familiar with those fights, but everyone else also did great.

Bottom line, Ex trials are better done with a group that's not forced to do them but rather chose to.

Mentoring in Ex fights doesn't mean to do all the work. I remember a discussion you were part of in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. It was about tanks who don't even have the reflex to turn on their tank stance (even when aggro is clearly all over the place). This is the average experience in Mentor Roulette when it comes to Ex fights. People expect the fights to be a faceroll. You can't possibly tell me it's a mentor's job to put up with this. Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Dunno about ya'll, but when I choose to do Mentor Roulette, I do it with the full expectance of having to teach every EX fight out there or, worst case: I learn together with the sprouts and we try things. I fail to see the problem - we as mentors are not expected to know every fight by heart, but instead are expected to be role models of player etiquette while dispensing occasional advice.

We are also given full knowledge of the duty pool due to its' unlocking requirements, so if you don't like the gamble to join a duty you don't like or simply unsync-freeloaded for a kill and feel embarassed when you are the one who ends up knowing nothing (you shouldnt be embarassed btw), then just maybe Duty Roulette: Mentor isn't for you.

The roulette allows newbies to enter EX duties without having to start dedicated PF parties by polling from DR: Mentor participants, literally works as intended.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.

Mentor Roulette without containg EXtrials is basically all previously existing roulettes stacked under a trenchcoat and serves no purpose other than to basically be Duty Roulette: All previous Roulettes. EX trials literally set it apart from the other roulettes.

Calling EX trials the rotten fruit in a batch sounds like you are feeling entitled to getting easy duties all the time rather than putting up with it, but that's technically none of my business, so you do you.