Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

[Eien713]

This topic has been discussed to death and I've stated my position on this matter over and over, so this time, I just have a question for those who say mentors are required to teach people extreme fights and if you're not willing, then you're not worthy of being a mentor: Where did this consensus come from? Was it clearly stated anywhere that this was part of a mentor's job? And if you give me the stale "mentors are expected to help/support" argument, I'd counter it by saying define "help/support" in a universal way. We don't all view things the same way, so isn't it unfair of people to consider their view the only one in existence and the only one that is correct/valid?

I'm a mentor (though I hide my crown due to the bad rep), and I really enjoy/like helping other people (new or not) by answering questions, helping with mount farms, or clearing an instance where I don't spend my time banging my head against a wall. I don't like having to do ex fights in DF because they're too tedious, especially when people don't read chat or when there are just too many things to explain and even then the explanation via text won't be that clear. I'd be more than happy, however, to do those instances if people came prepared and we worked together toward a clear. Does this mean I'm not worthy of being a mentor despite how much I've helped people during my mentoring career? I think saying such a statement is just too unfair and narrow-minded. And I bet most people who say such a thing have never been a mentor and tried those fights in DF. It's simply torture most of the time.

[SturmChurro]

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It's simple really, if a mentor is unwilling to potentially have to assist players in extreme content, they can just not queue for the mentor roulette. If they are so interested in helping other players, they can manually select duties, or do the other roulettes in the duty finder. As the Astrope is supposedly meaningless, no mentor should care that they cannot work towards it specifically. At least they are there helping players!

[Eien713]

It's simple really, if a mentor is unwilling to potentially have to assist players in extreme content, they can just not queue for the mentor roulette. If they are so interested in helping other players, they can manually select duties, or do the other roulettes in the duty finder. As the Astrope is supposedly meaningless, no mentor should care that they cannot work towards it specifically. At least they are there helping players!

Again, define "helping."

[SturmChurro]

Again, define "helping."

Providing gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players, being an exemplar for player etiquette.

[Eien713]

Providing gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players, being an exemplar for player etiquette.

And why is this only limited to ex trials? Mentors can do this all the time in any other instance and even in the open world.

[SturmChurro]

And why is this only limited to ex trials? Mentors can do this all the time in any other instance and even in the open world.

When queueing for 'Duty Roulette: Mentor' mentor status is automatically turned on, it's kind of expected for a player to mentor in it. I also stated, that a mentor can 'mentor' outside of this specific roulette. If a "mentor" doesn't want to potentially have to 'mentor' extremes they don't have to queue for it, simple as that.

[Eien713]

When queueing for 'Duty Roulette: Mentor' mentor status is automatically turned on, it's kind of expected for a player to mentor in it. I also stated, that a mentor can 'mentor' outside of this specific roulette. If a "mentor" doesn't want to potentially have to 'mentor' extremes they don't have to queue for it, simple as that.

Lemme tell you a little story. Yesterday, I joined a PF of people wanting to clear Garuda Ex. We eventually got a party with everyone agreeing to do the trial synced. Since we were all mentally prepared to do this and the newbies had done their homework, it was way easier to get the clear by explaining a few things here and there. Since we did great with Garuda (cleared it on first pull), we decided to do Titan next. A few hiccups here and there but we managed to clear. Ifrit was next and it was a bit more challenging than the other two. But with a few explanations here and there, some strategizing, and a bit of practice, we managed to clear. Those 3 fights were so fun to do. We were all doing our best and working together with no one slacking off or expecting a carry. Granted, I went as a healer to be able to save the runs as much as possible since I'm very familiar with those fights, but everyone else also did great.

Bottom line, Ex trials are better done with a group that's not forced to do them but rather chose to.

Mentoring in Ex fights doesn't mean to do all the work. I remember a discussion you were part of in the Tales from the Duty Finder thread. It was about tanks who don't even have the reflex to turn on their tank stance (even when aggro is clearly all over the place). This is the average experience in Mentor Roulette when it comes to Ex fights. People expect the fights to be a faceroll. You can't possibly tell me it's a mentor's job to put up with this. Besides, the logic of "You don't want to get an Ex trial? Don't queue for Mentor Roulette" is just so bad/flawed and short-sighted. Mentors in different other content can be such an asset if only by filling up the queues for older content, yet by this logic, we lose this advantage because of something like Ex trials. Throwing away a whole batch of good fruit because of 1 rotten fruit (Ex trials) doesn't sound too smart to me.