Petition: Remove EX Trials from Mentor Roulette

[FireMage]

We all know this needs to happen. Mentorship is not meant to carry people through content they have no business being in, it is meant to assist new players through the basics of the game, which EX trials aren't a part of. EX Trials, as defined by SE themselves, are high end content. They are the entry point to the hardest content in the game, and some are even more difficult than equivalent timed high end raids. As such they go well beyond what is the basics of the game, that Mentorship is meant for. As such they have no business being in Mentor Roulette, and removing them would help maintain Mentors staying for Mentor Roulette and see more of them doing it

[Aurida]

Only if they also remove guildhests

[TheMightyMollusk]

This comes up at least once a month. Don't hold your breath.

[FireMage]

This comes up at least once a month. Don't hold your breath.

Then it's a known recurring issue, and something should clearly be done to solve it

[SannaR]

Mentor roulette is there not only to help que, but also meant for Mentors to you know mentor people. Are some EX trials harder to teach people? Yes of course. Doesn't mean you shouldn't at least try. Many mentors leave because they don't want to try to teach people how to clear those fights. They also seem to be the ones that just want the easiest so they don't have to actually teach stuff for the mount.

Part of the reason there is a lower amount of people trying harder content is due to no one wanting to teach them. Even if they use the PF there not a whole lot of those willing to join and do these fights without doing them unsynced. Especially for farming them for mounts.

[Caitlyn]

Rather than removing Ex Content, SE should rework the current mentor system completely.

Its kinda unreal, that mentors are mostly known as the worst and most toxic players in the FFXIV community. The beginners chat is full of useless smalltalk, misinformation, spoilers and even scam links (happened a few weeks ago).

Of course, skilled and helpful mentors also exist. But they are pretty rare.

[SturmChurro]

Rather than removing Ex Content, SE should rework the current mentor system completely.

Its kinda unreal, that mentors are mostly known as the worst and most toxic players in the FFXIV community. The beginners chat is full of useless smalltalk, misinformation, spoilers and even scam links (happened a few weeks ago).

Of course, skilled and helpful mentors also exist. But they are pretty rare.

Pretty much. The removal of the mentorship would be best for this game, and if there are mentors who don't want to do extremes in 'mentor' roulette, maybe they shouldn't do it, and perhaps reevaluate being a mentor in the first place.

[technole]

People who say PF exists, sometimes I wonder if they were around during 2.x.

DF was always been the way we used to do "hard" content back then. When coil became unlocked from being forced to gather as a raid group at Wineport, people queued for it in DF.

Even in 2.5, people queued for Shiva EX, that was the way to do it. We'd get new and cleared people all the time. Success rate was pretty good. I'd queue for Shiva EX every morning to help and farm a few clears.

If anything mentor roulette is re-living that same experience. So that is why I don't make a big deal about it, sometimes some parties won't be successful and that's okay. If it ends up being learning, the next time those 6 or so people uncleared queue, they will help the next party or learn to do better.

But saying PF exists is kind of ignorant, people want to do content the way it was when it came out. Probably more so because of asmon and the likes thirst for not having a push-a-button-to-clear attitude.

Pretty much. The removal of the mentorship would be best for this game, and if there are mentors who don't want to do extremes in 'mentor' roulette, maybe they shouldn't do it, and perhaps reevaluate being a mentor in the first place.

Personally I'm fine if they make the hoops larger, because it's usually a trade mentor that is the problem. The requirements for the hammer are too easy versus combat.

Even then they should continue making it a ladder going forward so people just don't park on the minimum achievements.

[Baxcel]

Mentor roulette is there not only to help que, but also meant for Mentors to you know mentor people. Are some EX trials harder to teach people? Yes of course. Doesn't mean you shouldn't at least try. Many mentors leave because they don't want to try to teach people how to clear those fights. They also seem to be the ones that just want the easiest so they don't have to actually teach stuff for the mount.

Part of the reason there is a lower amount of people trying harder content is due to no one wanting to teach them. Even if they use the PF there not a whole lot of those willing to join and do these fights without doing them unsynced. Especially for farming them for mounts.

Here we go again.. 100% agree with you here.. have cleared a few EXs from Duty Finder myself including harder ones like Throdin.. even with a new off tank that didn't understand English and a mentor who refused to help.. so it's possible to get it done its just most mentors want the instant gratification of an easy clear and anything that dosnt meet that is hissed an booed at like a child being told to eat his greens..

I've since hidden my Trade Mentor crown as the current standing of mentorship is embarrassing.. im still working towards my combat crown but I'll probably keep that hidden too with the exception of mentor roulette which forces it on anyways I believe

[technole]

Here we go again.. 100% agree with you here.. have cleared a few EXs from Duty Finder myself including harder ones like Throdin.. even with a new off tank that didn't understand English and a mentor who refused to help.. so it's possible to get it done its just most mentors want the instant gratification of an easy clear and anything that dosnt meet that is hissed an booed at like a child being told to eat his greens..

I've since hidden my Trade Mentor crown as the current standing of mentorship is embarrassing.. im still working towards my combat crown but I'll probably keep that hidden too with the exception of mentor roulette which forces it on anyways I believe

Yeah it's completely possible, generally it's some lazy mentor that didn't get a freebie. There will be wipes, just like with asmon and many others just it comes down to hopefully they understand what caused it and how to change next pull.

I've had to do some creative things to clear sometimes but it works. I remember one tank just couldn't tank swap when i told them to, as i kept getting killed in Sophia. But they'd grab aggro after. Their tank swap was them falling off so I guess that evens out. Nonetheless good DPS is a good carry too. Then again you don't even need to mentor roulette to see sloppiness in this game. Had a Dal clear with just 1 minute left today.

Crafting mentor is the hammer of shame