The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[Theodric]

I wasn't trying to shame anyone for liking Tales of. Just that no one plays them with high expectations for writing and characters because they really don't try to push anything with either. Nothing wrong with enjoying the series.

No worries. I didn't take it as an attack.

[Kolsykol]

Now I understand why some people are so offended by the 2B leg piece.
They have Pugophobia.

[Kozh]

As Emet Selch mentioned in the storyline, when Hyadelyn strikes a target, she splits them apart. "Two individuals, identical in appearance, yet reduced in all aspects, strength, intelligence, the soul itself - all is halved."

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Sorry, gotta disagree with this.

1. Regarding thancred's problem, I don't think it's confirmed that souls are the only thing that manipulate aether. It's more likely that since they're still connected to their bodies on the Source, that it's kinda mix between body and soul (hence why treating their bodies influence their souls too).

2. Pretty sure g'raha soul merging doesn't make him 17/14 since it's the same person soul from alternate timeline, as opposed to normal rejoining. What I said as "the equivalent of rejoining" is that rejoining doesn't make someone stronger in term of combat power, just make their soul denser. Otherwise people on the shard would be much more weaker and stupid than Source people, which isn't true if you see the First. Though I have to admit that the sundering mechanism sort of conflicting with what we experience in game (dunno why they need to make it that it halves people stats too instead just soul)

3. Also pretty sure that g'raha staff is just a decoration. If you speak with G'raha he said that casting spell now drains him because he's not linked to the tower. And tataru said "oh I know I wasn't supposed to take the crystal, but it looks nice right" or something like that, which again implies that it's just for a memento sort of thing.
I still can't buy having the Exarch memories makes him able to become caster/tank/healer since experiencing memory doesn't mean you'll be able to master it. But eh, I guess they're just lazy to make another Trust AI.

4. How is having the Exarch memory and soul doesn't influence his personality? Personality is shaped by environment and events throughout our life. In fact his mannerism now is mostly resembles the Exarch. Other scions noted that he speak like an old person, have mild manner. Estinien also notice that. Current g'raha is 80% Exarch and 20% past g'raha (that's mostly noticeable when we're in funny moments). I get that past g'raha allows it, but doesn't change the fact that it's morally questionable (and also because he's fictional character, so the writer decides for him to "allow it").

5. For CT, yeah in a meta way we know it already fulfilled its purpose. But in story it doesn't make sense. Past g'raha wanted the eorzea to catch up on technology first before opening the tower again, but we wake him up now? G'raha said his allag blood will lose its power sooner or later, what will happen to the tower then? What if in the future there's another calamity or if there's a group of people wanting to use CT for evil purpose? And mowen is more focused on keeping record of the warrior of darkness, not allag technology.

[HollowedDoll]

Wow that's actually kinda gross. I never noticed anything awry with the original sage icon, but I think I can empathize with the people wanting it changed now.

On a side note I find it funny how up in arms people about the change. Icons and design elements are changed all the time for reasons as benign as looking phallic or like a face (pareidolia), simply because it's distracting. Don't see anyone complaining in those cases, the former is often rather amusing to people. So I see no reason to insist it meets some arbitrary threshold of qualifying as a 'phobia' to warrant a change, if people are unsettled by it, that's good enough.

Find someone who was unsettled by 4 single holes, if anything it looks like thicker needles.
This is the same vein when twitch removed the term "blind playthrough" despite nobody who was actually blind thought it was necessary.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Wow that's actually kinda gross. I never noticed anything awry with the original sage icon, but I think I can empathize with the people wanting it changed now.

On a side note I find it funny how up in arms people about the change. Icons and design elements are changed all the time for reasons as benign as looking phallic or like a face (pareidolia), simply because it's distracting. Don't see anyone complaining in those cases, the former is often rather amusing to people. So I see no reason to insist it meets some arbitrary threshold of qualifying as a 'phobia' to warrant a change, if people are unsettled by it, that's good enough.

I think the problem here is, it was brought up by people that don’t even have the phobia, and a good chunk of people who actually do said it doesn’t bother them. Along with the fact we’ve had the leather worker icon since the beginning of time and no ones ever complained about it.This is a very common trend nowadays, of people who dont actually classify under whatever the topic may be about, making it a much bigger problem than it actually is.

[Theodric]

When it comes to acts of kindness I am more inclined to respect those that have few or no witnesses compared to those which are released as a news item and screened by a public relations department.

It's fascinating to me that there's so many players in what is supposed to be a 'pleasant community' outright attacking and insulting the character of any and all who dare to raise an eyebrow at this move, though. Incidentally, the same individuals doing this are also claiming that the move isn't a big deal.

If it isn't a big deal, why the heated emotions, insults and crude language? It's all rather baffling to me.

[Myon88]

I think the problem here is, it was brought up by people that don’t even have the phobia, and a good chunk of people who actually do said it doesn’t bother them. Along with the fact we’ve had the leather worker icon since the beginning of time and no ones ever complained about it.

Wasn't the impetus for this a thread on the JP side of the forums? I can't read Japanese, so I'm going to have to take your word for it.

As for the LTW icon, it doesn't strike me as particularly problematic, though I can obviously only speak for myself. The markings are decidedly angular and irregular, and read more like indents than holes at the scales the icon appears at. That at the very least would appear to distinguish it from more egregious examples.

That said, insofar as some people believe trypophobia to be more a memetic hazard than a 'phobia' per se, maybe it's best not to draw attention to other potential candidates

[Jijifli]

The markings are decidedly angular and irregular, and read more like indents than holes at the scales the icon appears that.

"Trypophobia is an aversion to the sight of irregular patterns or clusters of small holes or bumps."

I will remind this as many times as it takes, the 'phobia' is trigger BY these irregular shapes. And it's not just holes either.

So, by definition, the LTW icon is much more likely to cause this kind of trigger.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Wasn't the impetus for this a thread on the JP side of the forums? I can't read Japanese, so I'm going to have to take your word for it.

As for the LTW icon, it doesn't strike me as particularly problematic, though I can obviously only speak for myself. The markings are decidedly angular and irregular, and read more like indents than holes at the scales the icon appears at. That at the very least would appear to distinguish it from more egregious examples.

That said, insofar as some people believe trypophobia to be more a memetic hazard than a 'phobia' per se, maybe it's best not to draw attention to other potential candidates

From what little i was able to translate, what i got from it was the original poster did not have the phobia. They were bringing it up as a what if. Many of the comments i saw were people saying it wasnt really a big deal and others were people who had the phobia saying it was fine. If anyone else who can properly translate would like to weigh in that would be kewl.

[LaughingBanana]

When it comes to acts of kindness I am more inclined to respect those that have few or no witnesses compared to those which are released as a news item and screened by a public relations department.

It's fascinating to me that there's so many players in what is supposed to be a 'pleasant community' outright attacking and insulting the character of any and all who dare to raise an eyebrow at this move, though. Incidentally, the same individuals doing this are also claiming that the move isn't a big deal.

If it isn't a big deal, why the heated emotions, insults and crude language? It's all rather baffling to me.

Because it's bloody annoying that people make a mountain out of a hill for such a small, kind gesture by Yoshi-p's team, that people argue that it's going to be a slippery slope (I mean really?), and because people found it unlikeable that the dev team do this due to reasons they invent in their heads. It's tiresome to see people are so eager to complain about something so inoffensive.