Could a "fully offensive healer" work in FFXIV?

[ZedxKayn]

Yoshi-P said that healers don't have to dps, and since people were bothering those who didn't want to dps, well, they only have a dot, a monocible spell and an aoe.

Meditated on that.

I've always wondered if he always thought so or if he just bent the knee to "healers heal!" crybabies.
It's a strange stance to have when the CNJ quest line and the healer HoN press that dealing damage when healing isn't necessary is important.

[Sebazy]

Yoshi-P said that healers don't have to dps, and since people were bothering those who didn't want to dps, well, they only have a dot, a monocible spell and an aoe.

Meditated on that.

You realise that he said that whilst releasing content that was impossible to clear without healer DPS right? And no that wasn't just a one off thing with poor tuning in Gordias. Try clearing E8S with both healers not DPSing in that tiers gear.

The content and job design teams are rarely working from the same page it seems, at least as far as healers go.

[Omedon]

Yoshi-P said that healers don't have to dps, and since people were bothering those who didn't want to dps, well, they only have a dot, a monocible spell and an aoe.

Meditated on that.

That is heartening to hear. Maybe I'll try the new job with my trusts!

You realise that he said that whilst releasing content that was impossible to clear without healer DPS right?

In the interest of transparency... as a player I absolutely don't go near the "upper end" of any game I play because that's where people put math over enjoyment, so maybe the idea of the upper end of the game not working without healers DPSing is an intentional barrier that I too should observe, should I wish to try the new job.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Here's an idea
Remove healers completely and rework jobs so they have their own way to mitigate damage / heal.
Big brain time

Yeah, Gw2 did that and it was awful.

[Omedon]

Yeah, Gw2 did that and it was awful.

Seconding this. I for one don't want to see healers go away because I have friends who love healer gameplay in every game they play. FFXIV would not survive a denting of the trinity, it's not the game to attempt this.

Like it or not, DPS is the most popular role for its "lowered responsibilities," and GW2 making everyone "responsible for themselves" was a different take, but one that became... niche.

[Hanayumi]

If anything you'd be better off taking a dps and just giving it wider array of heals. Slap an aoe heal and maybe a regen or shield heal on rdm and wala "offensive healer" lul...

[Mimilu]

Yoshi-P said that healers don't have to dps, and since people were bothering those who didn't want to dps, well, they only have a dot, a monocible spell and an aoe.

Meditated on that.

That is heartening to hear. Maybe I'll try the new job with my trusts!

I wouldn't get your hopes up...
He said that all the way back in HW and has since seemed to actively try to avoid talking in depth about healers.

[Dreamsoap]

I would love love love something akin to a disc priest. I think it would make a really unique addition to FFXIV, to do passive heals through dps. Idealist me would hope it's something they'd one day look into. I just dunno how it would synergize in a system with patterned incoming damage.

[Allegor]

Full on offensive healer would become mandatory, much like disc priests and holy paladins are in WoW.

They're taken because they put out good healing AND damage to beat enrage timers in cutting edge guilds.

I'd rather not see that here.

To be fair, the concept of an actual green dps would suit WHM rather well, since it's arguably too easy compared to the other 2 and is already the BLM/SAM of healers.

[Xathyr]

Maybe not that many know or realize that one of the first guys to ever introduce and popularize the concept of "offensive healer" was one mostly dedicated to PvP: https://youtu.be/_HNqnWD1JBs

And yeah it was a way to not only further extent the performance of a healer but also making the role a bit more fun to play, but turning that concept in to PvE, i don't know about it, nor do i know the need to do that, because i don't see people demanding from DPS to also heal.

So if i were to give my opinion, it shouldn't be a healer's role to do dps as a rule, but rather something that you do IF you can, meaning that if people is not making mistakes and they're not eating more damage than they should then that should be rewarded as an opening to put some resources in to dealing dps, maybe a a dot or a few casts once in a while if your team does great, but that's it.