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    WoW just can't catch a break can it?

    I'm so happy my game of choice isn't going through half the stuff WoW is. I feel like I chose the right MMO.
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    Blizzard's been kind of a mess for decades, they just were really good at playing the drama down since the company has changed hands so many times. Also social media wasn't a problem back then because it didn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Really?
    Big oof...

    Do you remember where you heard this?
    Do you potentially have sauce?
    MMO-Champion and Reddit have a link to the lawsuit in question, but there are allegations against Alex Afrasiabi. He departed the company last year, if I recall, very quietly. Not a word of good-bye between him or Blizzard, no "thanks for the fun times," nothing. It's making sense now why that would have been.

    I don't know if you followed the devs and stuff and for how long, but he's been with WoW for many a year. I remember him posting as Furor on the forums from Vanilla (back in 2005 when I started playing), and then he got his own NPC in game in WotLK (in Wyrmrest Temple in Dragonblight). So yeah, he's from back when it was just Blizzard.
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    Last edited by KaijinRhada; 07-22-2021 at 02:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Apparently it was already in Blizzard before their acquisition, which puts the "Old guard" that have been making new indie studios under the spotlight too.
    Yea. Was surprised to see that they are also going after some of the old guards. But I guess it makes sense since there were already allegations of these cases waaay back that just got buried. Just surprised that they still decided to unbury those along with the newer allegations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    There's supposedly at least four different authors hired by the company who have been caught making similar statements, though that's definitely the most glaring example of the lot. When the issue was raised, however, no official statements were put out by the company to criticise such an attitude.

    Somehow I suspect it would have been handled very differently if the abuse in question was being hurled in a different direction. It's very unfortunate that in many places, it is seen as acceptable to direct discriminatory abuse at what are considered to be 'safe' targets'.

    I can't link evidence here for obvious reasons, but as an aside the problem also supposedly trickles down to some other employees who design quests and the like. It's one of many reasons why I stopped supporting Blizzard in any form.

    Luckily FFXIV does not appear to have the same problem with its employees, though I do hope care is taken when interacting with the portion of the FFXIV community that is located on Twitter as some of the statements made by certain content creators are similarly jarring and discriminatory.
    Agree. I read about Madeleine Roux lately and you are right, it is funny how reverse discrimination is accepted by Blizz. If she were targetting other colors and minorities in her tirade she would be all over the news etc. Sad state of racial harmony in corporate America at the moment.
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    Wow. I mean, I knew Blizzard was a mess - it has been a souless shell; a mockery of the company it was in 2004 for a long time. And when I first read the headlines, I wanted to dismiss this as par for the course. Oh, Blizzard is a corrupt, duplicitous, falsely woke (not that I'm woke myself, but of course they're hypocrites - of course they're cynically leftist, telling people what they think the masses want to hear) company with a male-dominated subculture? Shocker.

    But they drove a woman to suicide. I mean... someone's dead because they couldn't keep their house in order.

    Dead.

    I hope the whole damned thing sinks before our eyes.

    *Edit* Here is a great post from over on their forums:



    So, I am actually a licensed attorney, but not for the State of California. For my own anonymity, I’ll simply say I’m on the East Coast, and I represent business interests; I get paid to be universally hated. I’ll keep this brief, because it’s a game forum. I don’t expect anyone to have much of an attention span for many details, as it’s infamously a tl;dr crowd. Specifically, I’ll touch mostly on Blizzard’s statement.

    First, I’d remind everyone that everything is an “allegation” until it meets summary judgment in court. It does not mean it’s unofficially unproven. This is simply a Constitutional protection. Given that the State conducted this investigation, and filed the legal complaint, they absolutely have evidence.

    In Blizzard’s response, they state: "The DFEH included distorted, and in many cases false, descriptions of Blizzard’s past." This is exactly what I would have instructed my client to say in an official statement, but not for the reasons some might think. This message is not meant for players or regular people — it’s meant for stockholders. Many stockholders in large companies have absolutely no idea what they’ve invested in, rather just that they’ve invested in something that appears to be a good business interest for profit. They won’t read the lawsuit, only that there is one, and they want to see that their investment is prepared to defend against it. That’s all they need, and all they want.

    Unfortunately, the remainder of this is not what I would have suggested in a statement:

    ”We have been extremely cooperative with the DFEH throughout their investigation, including providing them with extensive data and ample documentation, but they refused to inform us what issues they perceived.”

    This was fine until the last bit. They are not legally required to do so. Any firm representing Activision/Blizzard should know better, unless this statement was not crafted by an attorney. It looks like it was not, and it appears rushed.

    "They were required by law to adequately investigate and to have good faith discussions with us to better understand and to resolve any claims or concerns before going to litigation, but they failed to do so."

    Actually, no, and largely because this was an investigation rather than a corrective measure. The claims and concerns border criminal liability, and litigation was inevitable. In fact, litigation is preferred as it creates a court record, as private settlements can be disputed later.

    "We are sickened by the reprehensible conduct of the DFEH to drag into the complaint the tragic suicide of an employee whose passing has no bearing whatsoever on this case and with no regard for the grieving family.”

    This was a dire legal mistake. The DFEH obviously decided it was relevant, and said “grieving family” was likely notified before the case was filed. Going on the direct attack in this manner will come back to them if the family uses this lawsuit as a springboard for further civil litigation for damages. The family could also claim Blizzard made a false statement on behalf of the family. I cannot stress strongly enough how wrong this was.

    "While we find this behavior to be disgraceful and unprofessional, it is unfortunately an example of how they have conducted themselves throughout the course of their investigation. It is this type of irresponsible behavior from unaccountable State bureaucrats that are driving many of the State’s best businesses out of California.”

    Again, this was a mistake. The beginning and end of the entire statement should have been denial followed by willful compliance. That’s all the shareholders need, and all that should have been legally stated. This absolutely makes me believe the statement was not crafted by an attorney, and the continued attack on State processes and agencies reeks of projection.

    I won’t go any further into it except to say Blizzard showed their hand with this statement, and it will work against them in both civil court, and the court of public opinion. It is too late to correct anything now. The damage has been done. They should not have issued anything like this, and I would have seriously considered a meeting with the partners to consider termination of legal representation if we were representing them.

    Where I see this going from here is pretty simple: Things will go quiet for a little while. There will be a large settlement, and likely an NDA signed by all parties never to discuss the matter again. The State will likely move to criminally charge Alex Afrasiabi, which will be made public. It would be in Blizzard’s best legal interests to pin everything on Afrasiabi, and quietly dismiss anyone else related to the case, if they are still working for the company. Give them an “early retirement” incentive, along with another NDA regarding the reason behind their release/retirement.

    This turned out to be longer than I expected. I could go on, but it would be pages of expressed facepalming on how Blizzard handled this. I really just can’t say enough how big of a mistake this statement was, all of it, not just the paragraph I cited.

    Edit: I’ll add a legal edit that this is my personal opinion, based upon my own knowledge and understanding of the situation and others like it. I am in no way representing or involved with any party. My opinion is not to be misconstrued as legal judgment or representative advice for anything revolving around this case."
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    Last edited by TeraRamis; 07-22-2021 at 05:18 PM.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garet View Post
    Agree. I read about Madeleine Roux lately and you are right, it is funny how reverse discrimination is accepted by Blizz. If she were targetting other colors and minorities in her tirade she would be all over the news etc. Sad state of racial harmony in corporate America at the moment.
    From what I'm hearing coming out about the likes of some of the tech giants, they're little better. In fact many companies seem to have ingested this nonsense. Maybe they'll end up choking on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    See below but looking around the especially after their tone deaf statement, WoW forums, WoW reddit and multiple other sites there is very serious right now the calls to boycott any Blizzard/Activision game until there is real change is loud.

    Given the release soon and hype of New World and Final Fantasy 14 in the news everywhere I think a lot of new players will be looking for a new home soon. Square Enix better get ready.

    Once this breaks on Twitch and Youtube tomorrow as people wake up I expect to see a lot of departures. I could be wrong but there is very serious rage here.

    Breaking news tonight:
    Jason Schreier

    The California Department of Fair Employment and Housing has filed an explosive lawsuit against Activision Blizzard for discrimination. Some of the details in the complaint are horrifying

    Source:

    https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/st...03549133361156

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-...at-boy-culture

    https://aboutblaw.com/YJw
    Man this is quite the bombshell...

    I had to actually open the plaintiff's page.. and it explicity points towards Blizzard, asides from Activision.

    This just plain sucks....

    Actifail Blizzard is now worst than EA !
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  9. #29
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    That would explain why Alex "Foror" Afrasiabi left Blizzard so quietly last year. Usually there are some "Goodbye"-Threads in the forums when someone in his position leaves Blizzard. But there was literally nothing. Some people noted it in his Linkedin-profile, that he was no longer a Blizzard employee.


    Cheers
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    Blizzard: "Well, well, well! If it isn't the consequences of my actions."
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