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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Really?
    I haven't heard about this and I can't google anything up about it.
    Can you provide a link please?
    Peruse the Twitter link:
    https://twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/st...15702569472003
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  2. #122
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    It's generally not a good sign when a company puts out an official statement and then an employee contests the same statement on social media. Then again, to my eyes there's some red flags in the profile in question so I'll be taking it with a pinch of salt personally.
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    Apoligies letter incoming.
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  4. #124
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirana1 View Post
    I find it odd that someone can have a great experience in a community that is being sued for fostering "frat-boy culture" unless you are fine with men being subtly sexists on a daily basis. The guy is BS. He is actually denying that Blizard has a frat-boy culture but at the same time allegedly sides against them by saying "oh no I am so disappointed by their reaction"

    The actual quote:
    "I find Activision’s corporate response wholly unacceptable. I don't stand by it, any of it. It is evil to usurp a victim’s story into a rhetorical bludgeon, and it is abhorrent to reply to these accusations with anything other than a well-thought-out plan to correct these abuses."

    He is saying nothing here. That's his attempt of trying to appear trustworthy. What he really wants to do is to hide the fact that he is a paid actor who is trying to deny the fact that Blizard is fostering "frat-boy culture" through social media.

    EDIT:

    To quote:

    "OK. I’m still hopeful my team will make a statement, but Activision’s statement was terrible, so here's what I believe. I know many of my colleagues believe this as well:"
    ... (a couple of tweets later)
    "I deeply love my team. I believe in my coworkers. I have recommended this place as a beacon to people I care deeply about, and in my personal experience, it has been that beacon. But it is DAMNINGLY OBVIOUS that that experience has not been universal. The people who were harmed by abuse - they deserved that experience too."

    Blizard is a "beacon" just "not universal". This completely contradicts what the company is being sued for. Blizard is the place where women get paid less and are less likely to get a promotion aside from the many other misogynistic things they had to endure. Blizard has never been a beacon.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 07-26-2021 at 08:43 AM.

  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I find it odd that someone can have a great experience in a community that is being sued for fostering "frat-boy culture" unless you are fine with men being subtly sexists on a daily basis. The guy is BS. He is actually denying that Blizard has a frat-boy culture but at the same time allegedly sides against them by saying "oh no I am so disappointed by their reaction"

    The actual quote:
    "I find Activision’s corporate response wholly unacceptable. I don't stand by it, any of it. It is evil to usurp a victim’s story into a rhetorical bludgeon, and it is abhorrent to reply to these accusations with anything other than a well-thought-out plan to correct these abuses."

    He is saying nothing here. That's his attempt of trying to appear trustworthy. What he really wants to do is to hide the fact that he is a paid actor who is trying to deny the fact that Blizard is fostering "frat-boy culture" through social media.
    I don't understand how you got that out of what he said.
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  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    I find it odd that someone can have a great experience in a community that is being sued for fostering "frat-boy culture" unless you are fine with men being subtly sexists on a daily basis. The guy is BS. He is actually denying that Blizard has a frat-boy culture but at the same time allegedly sides against them by saying "oh no I am so disappointed by their reaction"

    The actual quote:
    "I find Activision’s corporate response wholly unacceptable. I don't stand by it, any of it. It is evil to usurp a victim’s story into a rhetorical bludgeon, and it is abhorrent to reply to these accusations with anything other than a well-thought-out plan to correct these abuses."

    He is saying nothing here. That's his attempt of trying to appear trustworthy. What he really wants to do is to hide the fact that he is a paid actor who is trying to deny the fact that Blizard is fostering "frat-boy culture" through social media.

    EDIT:

    To quote:

    "OK. I’m still hopeful my team will make a statement, but Activision’s statement was terrible, so here's what I believe. I know many of my colleagues believe this as well:"
    ... (a couple of tweets later)
    "I deeply love my team. I believe in my coworkers. I have recommended this place as a beacon to people I care deeply about, and in my personal experience, it has been that beacon. But it is DAMNINGLY OBVIOUS that that experience has not been universal. The people who were harmed by abuse - they deserved that experience too."

    Blizard is a "beacon" just "not universal". This completely contradicts what the company is being sued for. Blizard is the place where women get paid less, are less likely to get a promotion aside from the many other misogynistic things they had to endure. Nope, Blizard has never been a beacon.
    Don't know, don't care. I provided a link when a question was asked. I don't engage in forum drama. Ask the person in question, it's very simple.
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  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I don't understand how you got that out of what he said.
    When the company has seemingly decent people step forward like that guy did, Blizard can make the argument that they are not actually fostering a frat-boy culture which is the allegation they are being sued for.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 07-26-2021 at 08:49 AM.

  8. #128
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    It’s all over the wow forums that they may not get 9.2 and 9.3 is not going to happen at all.

    Speculation is that one of two things will happen. They will come out with 10.0 in 2023 or the game will die and be repaid much like FF.
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  9. #129
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    Well, WoW is a pretty old game at this point and it had a lengthy run. It's been steadily losing subscribers for a while now and after a certain point ceased revealing the number of active subscribers despite gleefully doing so in the past. For a while, it seems as though the game leaned on optional purchases to make a profit but that isn't likely to be enough after a string of very public controversies. I can't imagine the company wanting to burn down everything they own, so they may very well be prepared to discontinue World of Warcraft, lay off/fire a number of employees and focus on Call of Duty which is probably much more profitable and valuable.

    Of course, not everybody playing WoW is going to come over to FFXIV. Some will, others may decide to make GW2 or ESO their new home instead. Or wait for one of the new, upcoming MMO's such as Pantheon, New World, Blue Protocol and Ashes of Creation.
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  10. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    When the company has seemingly decent people step forward like that guy did, Blizard can make the argument that they are not actually fostering a frat-boy culture which is the allegation they are being sued for.
    He never said that they haven't, he said that he has been lucky to not experience it but that he feels bad that others haven't been so lucky.
    Which is probably the case, not every team have had this problem based on what I've seen.

    If anything I think he might just be trying to protect his friends on his team who are not bad people because some are harassing and going after just random Blizzard devs.
    And he's trying to say that most people at Blizzard are good and don't deserve to get harassed which I'd imagine is true.
    Blizzard is massive, not everyone is going to have the same experience.
    I mean ultimately they wouldn't have been able to put games out if it was just a complete circus at the office.

    Even if you may have heard about some things too it doesn't mean that you knew the details and just how bad it was.
    Even with people in charge, Blizzard devs have mentioned that they tried to contact them but that HR intercepted them and then gaslit and scolded them over it.
    A similar thing happened at Weta Workshop too, HR is like this wall inbetween the employees and the people up top and they go out of their way to silence things and shove it under the rug.
    I think there's genuinely a lot of things that were just shoved under the rug without those not directly involved even finding out about the real extent of it and being under the impression that HR is/ has dealt with it.
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