Open World PvP

[Awha]

Rip outlaws den concept from SWTOR put a vendor with a rare item or mount on a timer then profit.

LOL I still remember how our guild made people line up for the HK part and pay us access to use the vendor.

PVP forms true bonds I learned that from pokemon.

[Caurcas]

Yeah they have, and it's still about as popular an an STD. I hope they keep doing so, to keep the people happy who do play it, but asking for dedicated servers is not a trivial request. Stay salty though bro, it suits you.

Eh, I am more of a pepper person myself. Sodium is okay though.

[van_arn]

No but he does mention going after people who's party finder he doesn't like. During the course of this thread its quite obvious what some peoples motivations are, they have been quite open about it.

Ganking is funny though

[Anhra]

PVP forms true bonds I learned that from pokemon.

This Man gets it, and i don't say it just because his name sounds similar to mine.

[Jojoya]

For those saying that all world PvP is about ganking and griefing, it's not. There are some players who are looking for the challenge of being taken unaware by someone their own level to see who comes out on top. They don't go around ganking low level players and anyone who has chosen to be on a PvP server has agreed to be subject to world PvP anytime they're outside of a Sanctuary.

With that out of the way, most world PvP does turn out to be ganking and griefing. It's just not all of it.

It's almost like players could have just played on PvE servers in other mmorpgs, or avoided PvP based mmos entirely. It's an odd concept.

Except in WoW the presumably PvE (Normal) servers were really also PvP servers until Blizzard implemented War Mode in BfA. Being opt-in did not make your game experience immune to PvP activity if you had opted-out.

Playing on a normal server, without intentionally toggling my PvP flag on, I could still be forcefully flagged for PvP if:

I accidentally strayed a little too close to an enemy controlled city because there was no clearly marked boundary to indicate where autoflagging would occur (that boundary was often several yards from whatever passed for city walls assuming there were any).

A flagged enemy player chose to AoE attack creatures I was also attacking, which would turn on my flag as their AoE would also hit me since I was techinically an enemy.

A flagged enemy player chose to stand in the area of effect for my AoE attack against creatures, which would flag me as my AoE hit them since they were technically an enemy.

I healed or gave a buff to a friendly player who was flagged for PvP, which would flag me since I had provided aid to a flagged player.

Vault of Archavon was a drama filled placed back in Wrath since a PvP flag would carry over into PvE instances and any AoE healing or buffs would cause the caster to get flagged. You couldn't just disable the flag because the moment you casted another beneficial AoE, you'd just get flagged again. You couldn't force the flagged player to toggle PvP off, and even if they did that meant waiting around 5 minutes for the flag to finally drop. You could kick the player from the raid but then that meant recruiting again and the replacement might be flagged for PvP when they enter. Blizzard finally set PvE instances to automatically remove PvP flags upon entering (can't remember if they did that end of wrath or start of Cataclysm).

Even once Blizzard started plugging the holes that caused players to get flagged involuntarily, others who were flagged would still disrupt the game by killing off Flight Masters, quest givers and other NPCs so the unflagged player couldn't complete whatever they were doing.

Being on a Normal server in WoW didn't remove PvP. It just reduced the frequency of occurence.

Anyway, I don't see why we can't see the current PvP improved, and as this game gets more popular, it would be wise to continue expanding their PvP lineup, in my opinion. I also wish they would focus on more than just 'casual' content, in general.

Of course there should be some improvement to PvP as it currently stands for those players who enjoy PvP.

Would open world PvP create improvement or would it just be be another failed PvP mode?

It would be much easier to sell a PvP dedicated server to the development team if the current PvP area's were thriving and busy, instead they are deserted and tumbleweeds are rolling about. Asking for a new server requires infrastructure expenditure, and converting an old one requires kicking off all the players who don't want PvP, forcing them out of housing, FC, away from friends all of that stuff. People are arguing like all Yoshi P has to do is click his fingers and a PvP server appears out of thin air. It doesn't work that way.

I'm sure SE has some sort of internal reporting that can tell them how many players actively participate in PvP on a regular basis. That would give them data to judge if there's enough interest to support one or more PvP servers.

We're going to need new servers at some point. Making one or more of those new servers PvP doesn't change the infrastructure expenditure. It does change other development expenditure as they have to adjust the game code to allow for open world PvP.

You're right it's not a matter of just snapping fingers so one appears out of nothing but it also doesn't mean that the amount of effort required would be so costly and time intensive that it's not feasible at all.

[Taliriah]

No but he does mention going after people who's party finder he doesn't like. During the course of this thread its quite obvious what some peoples motivations are, they have been quite open about it.

It's irrelevant as long as it's opt-in. If people want to play in an open world pvp server where they can kill each other whenever they want, their motivations are not your business. Who are you to judge what other players do?

[Awha]

People against WPvP have always confused me remember this is not SAO if you die in a video game you do not die IRL. Life goes on I promise.

[Artemiz]

It's irrelevant as long as it's opt-in. If people want to play in an open world pvp server where they can kill each other whenever they want, their motivations are not your business. Who are you to judge what other players do?

You're jumping into a thread that is 58 pages long and just bringing up points that have already been discussed at length. Even the post above yours points out how opt-in is far from a perfect solution. The original thread isn't even asking for opt-in, its asking to inflict it on the entire player base.

Also, I absolutely will judge a bully and make zero apologies for doing so.

[van_arn]

People against WPvP have always confused me remember this is not SAO if you die in a video game you do not die IRL. Life goes on I promise.

The multi-page treatises posted about “why people that like owpvp” are psychos is pretty much to be expected.

Some people just don’t like it, and will go out of their way to justify themselves on a moral level because they don’t like it.

The big thing they routinely ignore is some people — unfathomable to the poster — actually like that bit of danger and the threat of attack. They only focus on how ganking makes people feel a sad, rather than consider the possibility that the person getting ganked is laughing and calling in friends.

This nongument has been going on forever, and it will continue forever. Enjoying owpvp — both gank and ganked — is so foreign a concept to some diehard pvers they simply can’t understand it and lash out when someone does.

[BaconBits]

You're jumping into a thread that is 58 pages long and just bringing up points that have already been discussed at length. Even the post above yours points out how opt-in is far from a perfect solution. The original thread isn't even asking for opt-in, its asking to inflict it on the entire player base.

Also, I absolutely will judge a bully and make zero apologies for doing so.

If enjoying open world pvp makes me a bully, then by golly I'll be the biggest bully you've ever seen. All 2 feet of me!