Harassment to Asmongold on his 1st day stream is an Embarassment to FF Community

[PeekayTom]

In other words, you knew he was coming, which proves the point i made ... and considering every 2nd post is from you on this subject I'm sure you have no opinion on this.

I'm sure you have no opinion either if you're going to make escalations like that.

In the days coming to this, I saw the name, but did not know who he was, what he'd be doing, or why I should care. Then, today, I woke up to the community on fire and saw people I interact with be harassed for expressing that they were uncomfortable with this happening.

That clarify for you? Or will you decide how I feel about things?

[Kes13a]

So as like Asmongold i'm a WoW veteran who's been playing nonstop for 2 months now. 501 hours in and i'm in ShB.

or like ZeplaHQ you guys need to break your bubble a bit. Community can't grow otherwise and most of us WoW veterans are 30 year old dudes like me, who aren't interested about drama and just like to play the game and have fun. We're more direct i suppose, but it means we don't do things behind your back or give fake smiles or fake opinions about things.

seriously... not sure what is wrong here.

I am a WoW refugee myself, in fact, up until a couple months ago I was still paying them money. I have had zero, thats NO bad experiences because of that. a lot of it boils down to the type of person you are, and the type of FC you join. Its not like I keep that a secret, if someone asks me my game experience, I share. people know I played WoW, and yet, I have never been kicked from an FC, nor have people tried to make me leave. if I am in a party, there is no flag that says you played WoW a lot, except maybe how you act.

things are different here in some ways over WoW. but really, you would find the same thing I suspect in every game you go to where there are other people, sometimes you just arent a good fit due to the people you want to be with not liking you, your own actions causing friction or drama or just coming across as a donkey. I am not sure why that is a hard concept to understand. I am not excusing bad treatment, but I AM saying, that sometimes.. ITS YOUR OWN FAULT! we all rub someone else the wrong way. but I guarantee, that if you go from game B to game C, and you are always on about how game B or D or whatever is far better than game C and trashing game C... people are going to notice and treat you differently. thats a fact of life.

I am sorry you had bad experiences, shouldnt happen to anyone. but if its consistent, you have to start asking yourself.. is it really the "community" or is it you.

[SniperCT]

Having played both games(wow since almost launch), they both have their bad elements, and their good elements.

In my experience I've had waaaaaay more positive interactions in FF14 than negative.

In my experience, I've had more good than bad interactions in WoW too, though with such a large number of interactions the really bad ones tend to stand out.

It's the 10% rule. 10% of any community are going to be loud and bad and awful, right?

When you've had, what, 100 million accounts made that's 10 million people. That's a LOT of people. So that 10% tends to be more obvious.

I absolutely stand corrected and apologise...you are in fact correct. Mind you the fact the ending was gated behind a damned mythic was..idiotic. it was story content that didnt need to be tied behind a mythic level dungeon ( for my FF 14 brethren thats like tying MSQ behind a mandatory Savage fight ).

Why they did I could never understand..oh of course, their metrics. Make content compulsory and they can point and say how popular it is.
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I quit in BFA as I was..well..more or less disgusted at the potential they tossed off in favour of that idiotic faction war.

BTW does anyone remember anything about a humungous sword stuck in the earth in Silithus? Blizzard did.

its still there. Forgotten. Thrown away, like the Order Halls, the Broken Isles, the massive haul of character storylines and background they made in Legion. I sat there and my only thought was "We just had an epic expac with a TON of potential........and this...this...this PATHETIC GARBAGE is what they come up with?"

UGH.

NO.

Bye Blizzard.

Hello Eorzea.

Took me a long time before I could finish that Jaina story, yeah.

I pretty much quit right after 8.1, came back in time to kill n'zoth once, hung around to get to 60 in SL, picked my covenant, felt super depressed and logged out. Haven't logged in since.

Meanwhile, FF14 was... a journey. Was actually here at 2.0 launch on this character, quit around level...18 or so, came back around HW launch, got to 32, quit, came back just prior to ShB launch and this time it stuck lol

Don't regret it and my god after doing this story line do I fully understand how bad wow is at storytelling. When we went back for Shadowlands it now feels a bit like going back to that abusive ex to give them one more chance lol

[Voidedge_Ragna]

I'm sure you have no opinion either if you're going to make escalations like that.

In the days coming to this, I saw the name, but did not know who he was, what he'd be doing, or why I should care. Then, today, I woke up to the community on fire and saw people I interact with be harassed for expressing that they were uncomfortable with this happening.

The community is not on fire, its all the ppl in their bubbles who got a wakeup call. I played XI for 12 years and XIV for 7 years and XIV has become a church ... and the preaching that comes from it needs to end, why cant we embrace that we have our own toxic parts and realise that's bloody normal.

XIV is not toxic free, was never and will never be. The screechers all came out their holes at once when Asmon showed up, he was the tool we needed to see all the rot in the community. Everyone says "oh he brought the bad guys", yet don't see we had those players with us for so long before.

The amount of proper Endgame mounts that were on the stream constantly did clearly show it was ffxiv veterans. There are so many posts on social media crying about it saying gross things and you know what? They get shut down ... we finally have a chance to find all the snowflakes.

The Toxic bubble XIV created and hid behind their backs is bursting now ...

That clarify for you? Or will you decide how I feel about things?

Go have a nap, this is a forum ... if you think you need to clarify stuff about how you feel in a thread about a person who decided play FFXIV. The world does not revolve about you, have a snickers.

[Kes13a]

I think the biggest L was the about 2h late automated GM reply "please give all names areas and stuff"

We know SE is a small indie company that does not currently make a lot of money to hire GM's because we did not have a successful expansion that sold incredibly well or have a huge storm of new players incoming.

SE took the time to post on Twitter they welcome him, but at no point where they prepping it and im not talking about kissing his ass or doing anything weird but at least could they have had someone watch the first half an hour live and react to it.

Yes let the ppl freak out the moment he comes in, but they don't need to cover quest npc's and stalk him for about 8h. Did the players deserve a punishment or warning? F no. But why was it not possible to have a GM do a shout to clear the Area like 1-2h in when it was clear they would continue.

SE is benefiting from this, so they could've at least had a look. Here's hoping the players clam down.

This is a good point. lets say, oh, BTS was saying they were going to go to... New York to play. New York says great, have fun hope to see you here.

BTS then doesnt bother to let them know when they are showing up, doesnt make any venue arrangements and just decide one day to show up? Is the expectation that New York is to maintain staffing and security etc for an indeterminate period of time to make sure everything goes smoothly? how long is a reasonable expectation to keep these procedures in place without any confirmation.

perhaps it would have been preferable to make an instance with ONLY asmongold in it.. gee... exciting.. and overkill. reality is, some will be rabid fans, some will be jerks, some will be people that just want to be seen on a stream. pretty sure he is used to it by now. SE could have watched but what then? teleported people away? sure, except if you watched his stream, could just find him again. it would be kind of like that BTS example, if the police arrested every person crowding around to see them and tossed them in jail.

its entirely possible that he is chuffed about the number of weebs that showed up

[Sotaris]

You're kind of assuming his people in his fan base don't play both games. Don't they always do stuff like this to troll him in every game? I doubt it has anything to do with getting him to quit lol

Given the hostility about the idea of him playing the game here and on reddit, I think it safe to say it was players of FF community, but trolling from his own community is possible but not soley them, imo.

What is the reason that the ToS could not be enforced?

Do the ToS in edge cases effectively not apply / only theoretically apply?

This. I'd say it counts as griefing and should be reported but not easy when there is 50-100+ people grouping on him.

It’s too bad this happened. Hopefully our own FFXIV streamers and content providers will condemn this behavior. If they speak out against trolling this guy maybe it will stop a lot of people from harassing him.

I don’t understand why people are so afraid of WoW players. Having new players, more subs, more money means more content for us. I’ve said before the WoW community isn’t more toxic than FFXIV. WoW just doesn’t enforce its policies like FFXIV. Ffxiv players, in general, are afraid of getting banned or suspended, WoW players aren’t. The new WoW players will adjust and it won’t be any different than now.

Zepla been pretty clear about this shit isn't acceptable. I never cared much for her, she make some funny puns sometimes but I gotten more respect for her after seeing her stance on this whole Asmongold play FF14 situation.

Asmon has done one favor for us. He shown everyone EXACTLY what this community is.

Sadly not surprised. "FF14 is such a nice community!" not after today.

95% of the "community" doesn't play on Cactuar.
95% of the players on Cactuar did nothing.
So save the drama.

I played an Undead Warrior on Tich for 10 years.
I know exactly what the WoW community is.
FFXIV community is a billion times better.
There's no comparison.

Isn't your comparison the same thing, Tich is a server I assume in this case?
I also disagree that FF community is a billion times better. It's not, it just as toxic but not as much in the open.

I think this is it, though I hope it is not because this is weapons grade ironic:

"Far left" well that says it all :')

Funny how this work: when something bad happen in that other game is the whole community doing it, when something similar happen here is just a few and they don't represent the majority.

That my friend is called two faced and hypocrisy

IDK, I have most of these things and the only thing I saw was a thread here saying "The Great Asmon is coming!" and I thought "literally who" and moved on with life

X to doubt

[Jeeqbit]

This game has "22,000,000 adventurers" or characters. It usually has about 1 million subscribers (which goes lower or higher depending on the month). Trying to say that less than 300 people (the area capacity) represent that many people is silly. Of course 300 people out of 1 million, or 300 people out of 22 million, would behave this way.

[Sotaris]

That metric is pretty misleading. We don't have 22M active users/characters which is what matters.

[TheRealQuah]

Mostly bad takes in this thread from people who for some reason have a hard on for hating absolutely any minor issue in the game. I've read people in here who say we have a toxic community because people report for minor things, having a complete meltdown and demanding people be reported - for a minor thing.

Dude expected this to happen. He wasn't fazed by it. It happens in ever game he plays constantly. That's celebrity for you.

He certainly wasn't being harassed. People were excited. Some people in this thread need to get their brains checked out having a complete meltdown over "how awful our community is". Besides the fact it was 95% sprouts with stupid names, it wasn't the FFXIV community stream sniping. It was his community. Yes there is some crossover. Get a grip.

[Liam_Harper]

It's quite obvious the FF14 community has its bad apples. About as many as WoW tbh, I've had an equal number of bad and positive experiences with other players in both games, ff14's bad experiences just tend to be more passive aggressive and bottled up while WoW is open about it. In both games the number of decent players far outweighed the rude ones though. Nasty players are just more noticeable.

It's not that ff14 has a bad community, it's nice overall, but we do have our share of toxic individuals. There's no point in pretending we don't. Comments like "he shouldn't have streamed if he didn't want harassment" or "it's just his fans, can't be us" are part of the problem. It's a clear case of harassment, every individual taking part should be banned. If the GM's don't have the manpower, that's all the more worrying and means you can break the rules if you just form a large enough group.