Harassment to Asmongold on his 1st day stream is an Embarassment to FF Community

[Rae88]

And so it's yours, to decide that, actually, bad people should be allowed in, because if they haven't been bad to you specifically then they're all good. Understood! And here is where I curate my space.

Once again it's the GMs. Not yours. Not mine.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

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Is this why they were all high level? Are we pretending they saw him make a char on Cactuar and then did a small grind to get flashy skills.
If you believe the FFXIV community did not know you believe they have no

-FC
-Access to Novice Network
-Read FFXIV Chat in your favourite FFXIV hang out area (prolly limsa)
-Youtube
-Social Media
-Discord
-Reddit
-Forum
-Internet

Everyone and their mother in the XIV community knew Asmon was coming, and knew the day ... its why he has 30-70k on his WoW Streams and peaked at 220k viewers yesterday on XIV If you pretend we did not know ... i mean do it, but its wrong, you do you.

Also him having 220k viewers and getting over 7k subs for that day, hes gonna be around for a while.

[Cetek14]

It's true face of FFXIV's community. You are not "the great community". You are as toxic as the rest. If not more.

[PeekayTom]

Once again it's the GMs. Not yours. Not mine.

It's players' perogatives for who they play with, who they talk with, and such. There are actions you can take on your own, such as blacklisting, not partying with, not allowing in an FC, and such. And yes, if someone displays horrible behavior, it should be brought up to a GM. I understand as well that GMs can't particularly do much about what happens outside of the game (although there are cases, such as one I remember where someone harassed someone over parses). Which is why you take your own steps that you are not only allowed to but encouraged to take in order to keep your community clean.

It's as simple as: I like FFXIV, but I don't need to follow every single FFXIV topic and read every forum post. It's toxic. I try to read and uplift encouraging and positive stuff; and in this case, my whole original point is to:

1) Not fight over who's more toxic, but to support eachother
2) Recognizing actual toxic behavior and making it clear that it's not welcome here
3) Recognizing that if someone is not welcoming of someone with a history of toxic behavior, that does not mean they are a gatekeeper

All of these were said by me without reference to The Current Topic Man because they have been coming up in conversations in regards to The Current Topic Man. If Asmon is fine, then he's fine. He's shown prior behavior that's iffy, which is why people are allowed to curate their spaces how they want and are able, and should be able without being harassed for it. If he comes in and has no problematic behavior, nice. Unfortunately, he's bringing in a following that everyone has agreed shows that toxic behavior. They aren't fully his responsibility, but he should do everything to set them straight if he hasn't already. I say this as having followed a few bigger streamers who don't have audiences like this because they have zero tolerance for bigotry.

Does that make sense? Or will you just respond "not your choice it's gm" again, kind of ignoring the whole point?

[PeekayTom]

Is this why they were all high level? Are we pretending they saw him make a char on Cactuar and then did a small grind to get flashy skills.
If you believe the FFXIV community did not know you believe they have no

-FC
-Access to Novice Network
-Read FFXIV Chat in your favourite FFXIV hang out area (prolly limsa)
-Youtube
-Social Media
-Discord
-Reddit
-Forum
-Internet

Everyone and their mother in the XIV community knew Asmon was coming, and knew the day ... its why he has 30-70k on his WoW Streams and peaked at 220k viewers yesterday on XIV If you pretend we did not know ... i mean do it, but its wrong, you do you.

Also him having 220k viewers and getting over 7k subs for that day, hes gonna be around for a while.

IDK, I have most of these things and the only thing I saw was a thread here saying "The Great Asmon is coming!" and I thought "literally who" and moved on with life

[Rae88]

It's players' perogatives for who they play with, who they talk with, and such. There are actions you can take on your own, such as blacklisting, not partying with, not allowing in an FC, and such. And yes, if someone displays horrible behavior, it should be brought up to a GM. I understand as well that GMs can't particularly do much about what happens outside of the game (although there are cases, such as one I remember where someone harassed someone over parses). Which is why you take your own steps that you are not only allowed to but encouraged to take in order to keep your community clean.

It's as simple as: I like FFXIV, but I don't need to follow every single FFXIV topic and read every forum post. It's toxic. I try to read and uplift encouraging and positive stuff; and in this case, my whole original point is to:

1) Not fight over who's more toxic, but to support eachother
2) Recognizing actual toxic behavior and making it clear that it's not welcome here
3) Recognizing that if someone is not welcoming of someone with a history of toxic behavior, that does not mean they are a gatekeeper

All of these were said by me without reference to The Current Topic Man because they have been coming up in conversations in regards to The Current Topic Man. If Asmon is fine, then he's fine. He's shown prior behavior that's iffy, which is why people are allowed to curate their spaces how they want and are able, and should be able without being harassed for it. If he comes in and has no problematic behavior, nice. Unfortunately, he's bringing in a following that everyone has agreed shows that toxic behavior. They aren't fully his responsibility, but he should do everything to set them straight if he hasn't already. I say this as having followed a few bigger streamers who don't have audiences like this because they have zero tolerance for bigotry.

Does that make sense? Or will you just respond "not your choice it's gm" again, kind of ignoring the whole point?

Oh of course, I completely agree with this Blacklist away. Don't allow them to your FC. And etc etc. I draw the line at griefing and running people out of the game because that sort of precedent sets the standard for people to make some pretty stupid decisions. Like ... I don't TRUST people with the responsiblity to decide who and who shouldn't be allowed in. But yeah, definitely, keep an eye on him and definitely his chat. Some of his chat is incredibly bad. Actually Asmon gets on well with some really nice people - Zepla, WorkToGame etc. His chat though is the reason I'll never watch Asmon's streams live. Or anything like that.

And yes that's his responsibility as well and from what I've seen he's trying to clear it up but yeah, Jesus. He needs to do more, and I think people have told him he needs to do more.

[PeekayTom]

It's true face of FFXIV's community. You are not "the great community". You are as toxic as the rest. If not more.

So what would you like to do about it? Got any suggestions for bettering the community or are you just here to push things down more?

[Kaurhz]

I'm glad the actions of a couple of a hundred people are now viewed as an accurate representation of a community far exceeding that number.

[SarajasLowe]

So as like Asmongold i'm a WoW veteran who's been playing nonstop for 2 months now. 501 hours in and i'm in ShB.

I've been loving the game to the death and it's been totally amazing experience. Only thing i've pretty much had bad experience is the community.. Even if it's been generally lot nicer, i feel there's lot more shit-talking behind backs and scheming going around than there is in WoW. You can be direct and confront people, arguing is normal. So far in 2 FC's i've been in officers talked bad things behind my back and tried to find excuse to kick me. There was 3 simps and 1 girl who was FC leader. They had other officers too, but they didn't have any idea about this scheme that was going on behind. So things escalated and they admitted being in wrong there, but it left the fc anyways because i can't handle things being done like 15 century Europe but governed by teenage girls, as i'm being adult person myself. I don't understand why you can't say straight to someone if they got problem with you, but have to do this.. childish behaviour GoT like fakesmiles i'm your friend thing.

Second FC i was in i got a warning because i was talking about sex in FC chat, and i specifically asked before joining that if people are not like kids there. Everyone was over 20, but it seems talking about squats and how it does good for your blood circulation on the loin area and improves sex life is too much info.

Asmongold is pretty reasonable and really nice guy, as you could see if you watched his streams. It's the quantity of his viewers are so huge, that even the 5% idiots is actual number you can see. Most of his viewers are like me, who just enjoy watching him and talking about things. He's gonna do great things for the game, imagine the marketing value he brings with 1 million views on Youtube. Just let him in and give him a chance, guy just wants good game to enjoy like the rest of us.

or like ZeplaHQ you guys need to break your bubble a bit. Community can't grow otherwise and most of us WoW veterans are 30 year old dudes like me, who aren't interested about drama and just like to play the game and have fun. We're more direct i suppose, but it means we don't do things behind your back or give fake smiles or fake opinions about things.

[Silica-chan]

It's true face of FFXIV's community. You are not "the great community". You are as toxic as the rest. If not more.

It sure is crazy how every EU & JP player transferred over there as well just to mess with him while he is streaming.

#generalisingsureisfun