Open World PvP

[Kes13a]

Problem is this whole discussion is not "expression of disagreements" it's just making up buzzwords to push your hidden agenda. Both of the groups argue in a very weird way for or against wopvp, it's not even arguing it's just self reassuring justification they make themselves to protect their world view.
The first group is clearly scared of the challenge wopvp would bring (be it social or whatever) but this challenge is not real it's manufactured by their own fear of whatever scary movie they made for themselves. So they throw away buzzwords like "griefing" (which isn't real if for example you yourself "turn pvp on", just don't turn it on, just an example) "toxicity" just to push this scary movie they created. But this movie is still very detached from reality. And even if it wasn't detached from reality the thing that will have final say in this is the data on pvp activity not some movie someone produced inside their head.
The other group for some reason needs to justify that killing others is fun. Which is just fact. Challenging other players is fun. Completely destroying lower level player is fun. It's why people smurf in very competitive games. You shouldn't have to argue for this it's a fact. It's how human lizard brain works. Arguing for it or against it makes zero sense.

I do appreciate how one side is basically living in a fantasy world made up in their own heads as opposed to possible experience from other mmos that have had this in place while the side you obviously favour is all about "fun" which by any measurement is always a subjective reference. in case you need a translation, means that what some find fun, others do not. doesnt make either side running fantasy movies in their head however.

so I am not sure if you posted just to obliquely insult people not into forcing world pvp on a game that wasnt built for it, or just thought it was important to forward a lizards idea of fun.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Smells like alot of y'all have cowardice in your hearts.

More laziness, in my case. Active world PVP is exhausting.

[DPZ2]

Smells like alot of y'all have cowardice in your hearts.

Made you look ...

[Kes13a]

Smells like alot of y'all have cowardice in your hearts.

as Matt Quigly once said "I said I didnt have much use for it, never said I didnt know how to do it..."

huge difference between cowardice and disinterest

[Anhra]

as Matt Quigly once said "I said I didnt have much use for it, never said I didnt know how to do it..."

huge difference between cowardice and disinterest

Youre defending your point quite adamantly, for someone who isn't interested.

[Kes13a]

Youre defending your point quite adamantly, for someone who isn't interested.

I am against the misuse of development time to implement something which the game was never coded for and would benefit a very small part of the community. had open world pvp been included from the start, I would have little cause to comment. period.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I am against the misuse of development time to implement something which the game was never coded for and would benefit a very small part of the community. had open world pvp been included from the start, I would have little cause to comment. period.

Tbf the game was never coded for flying in ARR zones and they made it work. They’ve shown time and time again that they’re able to pull things out of a hat if enough players want it. As far as open world pvp goes? It could be a possibility. I don’t see it in the near future but perhaps at a later date yes i think it’s quite possible. Kind of strange to see people so negative about this over and over reiterating the same points. Things like Mahjong aren’t played by many, JP audience may favor it but compared to the EU and NA servers who barely take interest in it, it seems like a very niche implementation. Yet they still did it. It’s just that a lot of the arguments i see in here are the same kind that i saw when people argued against male viera being implemented or a darker themed job being implemented yet we’re getting both in 6.0...

[Anhra]

I am against the misuse of development time to implement something which the game was never coded for and would benefit a very small part of the community. had open world pvp been included from the start, I would have little cause to comment. period.

How developers spent their time, is none of your buisness, unless of course, there is a certain piece of infomation you wish to admit here?

[Roeshel]

You’re fundamentally mistaken in seeing ganking someone on a pvp server or someone that has otherwise opened themselves for pvp as griefing.

You are literally giving them what they signed up for. If they’re unprepared, you’re giving them exactly what they should expect.
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Instead of getting upset over someone making you feel a sad and writing a page in a report, the system gives you all the tools you need to create a bitter rivalries or steadfast alliances.

Oh. Come to think of it, we already have pvp. Players just try to fight over getting each other banned via ticket instead of getting each other to quit by a perfect gank.

Griefing definition: Griefing is the act of chronically causing consternation to other members of an online community, or more specifically, intentionally disrupting the immersion of another player in their gameplay.

How is ganking someone so much that they end up quitting the game, which is what you prefer doing with your "perfect ganks", something other than griefing? And how is allowing such type of gameplay in any way beneficial for a game? A minority would get to create "bitter rivalries or steadfast alliances" at the expense of countless people who would have their gameplay ruined because of open-world PvP. And obviously, if you make open-world PvP not mandatory and on different servers those servers would be completely deserted. Because nobody signs up to get ganked.

[SturmChurro]

I am against the misuse of development time to implement something which the game was never coded for and would benefit a very small part of the community. had open world pvp been included from the start, I would have little cause to comment. period.

My Time at Portia will only really benefit crafters. What about players who don't craft, like me? Female hrothgar probably won't be that popular, yet those are going to be added. Mahjong was already brought up. There's plenty of content in this game that's been added/will be added that only a certain niche will enjoy. It's almost like saying we shouldn't get high tier PvE either, because only a small subset of players actually does it in comparison to the rest of the game - actually I've seen those arguments, come to think of it.

As for being "not coded for", one could probably say that about half the content we have/get in the first place. Even something like Hyur stubble.