Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[MilkieTea]

Welcome to being a RDM. You could be the reason a whole party even completes a fight and you'll get a "thank you healers!" comment at the end with no comms.

It’s a bit silly but I have a verraise macro specifically so everyone knows it’s me doing the work, not the healer.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

ooooorrr you can do it in an old fashioned way and just hardcast that Verraise for 10s straight That long cast bar should've caught people attention, right....right?!

[linayar]

I've learned a lot of things by reading things that weren't even directed at me because I was on a different class, like using Arm's Lengths defensively, using Peloton after pulls, using party mitigation in big pulls aswell, using Verthunder II/ Veraero II in aoe to trigger dualcast etc.; mostly minor things, aside from the RDM aoe because I didn't check my spellbook properly. But helpful all the same.

Yeah, the point is the sharing of information. And some people are more receptive to suggestions if it's not directly targeted at them.

[Rinhi]

If that's seen as passive aggressive, then it makes me wonder if all the people who say that the FFXIV community are filled with passive aggressive people are just wrong because they don't know what it means.

I was talking about your choice of words, specifically, and I don't understand why you think I'm the one calling you or what you said/the way you said it passive aggressive, I was speaking from experience at people calling ME passive aggressive when I've used the same or similar words from your example
Maybe it's different on crystal, I don't know, but a majority of suggestions and tips I've given and seen given were met with said rude mindset, i.e. "you don't pay my sub" "I know how to play my class (when they don't)" "chill out" or "it's just a game" and the likes when it's packaged very nicely and in no way passive aggressive.
Hell, even just asking if someone wants tips because they're clearly struggling with their class is met with hostility a lot of the times

[Rilifane]

Yeah, the point is the sharing of information. And some people are more receptive to suggestions if it's not directly targeted at them.

Although it's at least just as common for people to ignore a broad statement because taking it to heart would mean admitting that they're missing something in the first place. From my experience ingame, more people want to live in their little bubble where everything is alright and a broad statement is even easier to ignore because surely it didn't mean them, right? It was surely directed at everyone else. It had to be.
I think it just comes down to people either being open to suggestions or not.
If they are, they will take them wether directed at them or not.
If not, it doesn't matter how nice you are about it or if it's a broad statement.
But since I can't do anything about the latter anyway, I prefer to share informations for those that are open to it instead of withholding it from them to pander to people that want to live in their own bubble no matter what.

[linayar]

I was talking about your choice of words, specifically, and I don't understand why you think I'm the one calling you or what you said/the way you said it passive aggressive, I was speaking from experience at people calling ME passive aggressive when I've used the same or similar words from your example
Maybe it's different on crystal, I don't know, but a majority of suggestions and tips I've given and seen given were met with said rude mindset, i.e. "you don't pay my sub" "I know how to play my class (when they don't)" "chill out" or "it's just a game" and the likes when it's packaged very nicely and in no way passive aggressive.
Hell, even just asking if someone wants tips because they're clearly struggling with their class is met with hostility a lot of the times

I didn't even mention you in my post, so I'm not sure what you mean.

My post was only discussing about that viewpoint that you bring up, assuming, of course, that the advice wasn't given with obvious snark. Some people may take "just so you know,..." as being offensive, but that's on them because that's a perfectly neutral/positive introduction (and can be taken as neutral/positive even if the person was not intending for it to be such).

It's just an FYI.

Although it's at least just as common for people to ignore a broad statement because taking it to heart would mean admitting that they're missing something in the first place. From my experience ingame, more people want to live in their little bubble where everything is alright and a broad statement is even easier to ignore because surely it didn't mean them, right? It was surely directed at everyone else. It had to be.
I think it just comes down to people either being open to suggestions or not.
If they are, they will take them wether directed at them or not.
If not, it doesn't matter how nice you are about it or if it's a broad statement.
But since I can't do anything about the latter anyway, I prefer to share informations for those that are open to it instead of withholding it from them to pander to people that want to live in their own bubble no matter what.

Even if they choose to ignore it, there is something to ignore. If people don't say anything, then there is nothing to decide whether to ignore or not.

And it works both ways. If someone is giving out outdated/wrong information, then someone can potentially correct it rather than letting the person wrongly thinking they have correct ideas on their own.

Communication is never a bad thing in a multiplayer game, let alone a social game. It's how and what people communicate that can be wrong.

[Rinhi]

I didn't even mention you in my post, so I'm not sure what you mean.

My post was only discussing about that viewpoint that you bring up, assuming, of course, that the advice wasn't given with obvious snark. Some people may take "just so you know,..." as being offensive, but that's on them because that's a perfectly neutral/positive introduction (and can be taken as neutral/positive even if the person was not intending for it to be such).

It's just an FYI.

ah, gotcha! thought you were disagreeing with me, though this also shows how words can be seen different from their intent :P
fully agree with your post

[Rilifane]

Even if they choose to ignore it, there is something to ignore. If people don't say anything, then there is nothing to decide whether to ignore or not.

And it works both ways. If someone is giving out outdated/wrong information, then someone can potentially correct it rather than letting the person wrongly thinking they have correct ideas on their own.

Communication is never a bad thing in a multiplayer game, let alone a social game. It's how and what people communicate that can be wrong.

I think you misunderstood me.
I was never against communicating or correcting someone on bad advice, I just said a statement being directed at someone or not generally doesn't matter because people are either open to it or not. If they want to live in their own bubble they will do just that at all costs. But that doesn't mean I'm against trying.
As I said, I prefer to share information for the sake of the crowd who is open to suggestions over withholding it just to pander to the crowd who ignores everything at all cost.
All assuming that someone is not being an asshole about it, obviously.

[Caitlyn]

Snowcloak.

Some random MCH keeps killing the adds and kicking snowballs everywhere in the 2nd boss fight. I m trying to told him to stop it while tanking the boss. Put some ignore-marks on those adds and so on.

After a much longer fight, I tried to explain him, why to ignore adds first and just kick big snowballs to the boss. He apologized for "ruining our pro runs" and immediately left the duty.

So remember: If you re doing boss mechanics, its a pro run!

[Imora]

Well that sounds fun.

Bardams Mettle. Tank tries three times to double pull. Healer can't keep him alive at all. Three wipes on the first two packs of trash.

Sighs.