About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Rinhi]

"im not a leech! im not a leech!!", he continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

[Goji1639]

"im not a leech! im not a leech!!", he continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

I do like how you all obediently pop essences to benefit me in DR without me even asking. You're all such sweet, servile little lambs.

[Rinhi]

I do like how you all obediently pop essences to benefit me in DR without me even asking. You're all such sweet, servile little lambs.

I find it downright adorable how upset you are at being called what you are - even going as far to go full karen with that oh so adorable and totally not passive aggressive "sweetie talk" - people must've hit a nerve :3

[MilkieTea]

"im not a leech! im not a leech!!", he continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

PFFT! I'm 100% sure the mans knows he's leeching and just doesn't want to own up to it. Which sucks, I feel like I'd respect the guy more if he did. Like, that's pretty much been my one thing - own up to you and your actions!

[Vahlnir]

PFFT! I'm 100% sure the mans knows he's leeching and just doesn't want to own up to it. Which sucks, I feel like I'd respect the guy more if he did. Like, that's pretty much been my one thing - own up to you and your actions!

Yeah...I don't even care enough that the guy's not using essences and stuff. I think he should, but I'm not going to get up in arms over it either. The same could be said for any random person I'd encounter running DR. But regardless, that's not the point of this for me. If he would have said "I don't feel like farming because I don't like it" and nothing more, that would have more straight forward than arguing in circles trying to justify something with fake math and poor logic. I still wouldn't have agreed with his stance, but I'd have respected it a little more since it'd be an honest one. Just be real with us, Goji, and this can finally come to an end.

[Goji1639]

Yeah...I don't even care enough that the guy's not using essences and stuff. I think he should, but I'm not going to get up in arms over it either. The same could be said for any random person I'd encounter running DR. But regardless, that's not the point of this for me. If he would have said "I don't feel like farming because I don't like it" and nothing more, that would have more straight forward than arguing in circles trying to justify something with fake math and poor logic. I still wouldn't have agreed with his stance, but I'd have respected it a little more since it'd be an honest one. Just be real with us, Goji, and this can finally come to an end.

So, what was fake about the math I provided? I'd be interested to hear you attempt to elaborate because I have this strange feeling that you specifically are completely out of your depth in this discussion; but for some reason you still want to be a part of it. So you make vague, meaningless assertions about my position to other people while being terrified to address me directly. It's cute, but at this point I'm afraid I have to call you out a little. So, go ahead... Make an actual point and back it up with something. I dare you.

[Vahlnir]

So, what was fake about the math I provided? I'd be interested to hear you attempt to elaborate because I have this strange feeling that you specifically are completely out of your depth in this discussion; but for some reason you still want to be a part of it. So you make vague, meaningless assertions about my position to other people while being terrified to address me directly. It's cute, but at this point I'm afraid I have to call you out a little. So, go ahead... Make an actual point and back it up with something. I dare you.

I already have, so I've got nothing to prove. Just waiting for you to catch up. Others have as well but you just don't give a hoot. If I were afraid to address you directly I wouldn't be here. I've got nothing to be afraid of regardless. I post my opinions for all to see, not caring if I'm agreed with or not. The thing is, I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I don't go making some bs excuses. I own up to it. All you have to do is admit that you don't want to farm these things because that does not interest you. It's okay. Seriously, it is. I don't agree with it, but you do you. Just be honest. Pulling math and baseless remarks about "efficiency" out of thin air that isn't efficient at all is not necessary.

[Goji1639]

I already have, so I've got nothing to prove. Just waiting for you to catch up. Others have as well but you just don't give a hoot. If I were afraid to address you directly I wouldn't be here. I've got nothing to be afraid of regardless. I post my opinions for all to see, not caring if I'm agreed with or not. The thing is, I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I don't go making some bs excuses. I own up to it. All you have to do is admit that you don't want to farm these things because that does not interest you. It's okay. Seriously, it is. I don't agree with it, but you do you. Just be honest. Pulling math and baseless remarks about "efficiency" out of thin air that isn't efficient at all is not necessary.

No, you post about people indirectly because you're afraid. It's a way to disagree with me but hope I won't notice. You're adorably timid.

I've already admitted I don't want to farm these things, and the reason it doesn't interest me is because it's inefficient. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts. The inefficiency is what informs the fact that I can't be bothered, I've never once refused to admit that I'm not being a "team player," that fact is just irrelevant to what I'm saying. You people keep bringing up the fact that I'm not being a team player like it's supposed to floor me or something; like I'd be afraid to admit it, but the reality is I never cared. I'm still not going to waste time farming.

The thing about your math example is that you never concluded them. It's always along the line of "If it takes X time to farm said essence, it'd be wasting time", but you never provide the X to compare and justify that it's longer than the time it saved because you never do the farming. You already decide it's a waste of time before actually trying whether it's a waste or not.

"If it takes x amount of time," is your cue. Honestly, if someone said in response "but when farming now you WILL get a Skirmisher essence every 24 seconds," I'd have probably just said "oh, ok, never mind then." I know for sure you couldn't back when I did that step of the relic, and I'm pretty sure you can't now, though. If you're telling me you can load up on skirmisher in SF that fast now I'm listening, however.

[Vahlnir]

No, you post about people indirectly because you're afraid. It's a way to disagree with me but hope I won't notice. You're adorably timid.

That's cute. Why don't you try talking to me again like you know me. I'm not afraid of anyone seeing anything I have to say, and I'm sure as HELL not afraid of talking to you. It irritates me to no end though, but I also don't back away from a debate. Those posts talking about you to other people? Out in the open. You saw them. They saw them. Not afraid to say anything. Here I am, once again, talking with you, much to my own dismay. I don't hesitate for a second in calling out someone when I disagree with them. But you are lashing out. I understand. The truth is a hard pill for some people to swallow.

[Fland]

"If it takes x amount of time," is your cue. Honestly, if someone said in response "but when farming now you WILL get a Skirmisher essence every 24 seconds," I'd have probably just said "oh, ok, never mind then." I know for sure you couldn't back when I did that step of the relic, and I'm pretty sure you can't now, though. If you're telling me you can load up on skirmisher in SF that fast now I'm listening, however.

How do you know for sure when you never do the farming?
Besides even if farming skirmisher was not the most efficient back then, what about aetherweaver/martialist? Even back then you can easily farm these from level 1 plant in several seconds. You said it yourself you want the fastest and most efficient way, but you never consider other options and made a generalized conclusion based on one possible essence.