About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Goji1639]

No it's not true. People already gave examples how farming can be more efficient but you just ignore them.

What examples? I've seen some people say combining certain essences and lost actions can be even more of a boost, but I haven't seen any Math indicating it's more efficient to farm all of that stuff. How much time does 1 person using these actually save? How long does it take to farm all of the different components? Provide some approximate figures.

You'll benefit from others hard work, you mean. Anyways, you're a leech, just admit you don't care about leeching and moveth oneth. And you're right, in that you could definitely contribute more by bringing in better essences, but what you're arguing is the same as going into a Savage fight with no food or potions (They're consumables! You can go without anyways, the game doesn't tell you NOT to~! You'll benefit off of the work of others anywayyyys!) Versus someone going into the fight with food and potions that, while it might not be the best, is definitely better than going in without - and shows that they value the time of themselves and others. Which isn't leeching.

You're just creating your own arbitrary line specifically so you can call me a leech. I get it, my position upsets you so you're just flailing and becoming irrational. People who don't like what I'm saying throwing little tantrums has basically been the tone of this entire thread.

It is kind of funny that by your own definition of a leech you technically are one, though. You're benefitting from the extra efforts of people who worked harder than you. How do you live with yourself?

[Fland]

What examples? I've seen some people say combining certain essences and lost actions can be even more of a boost, but I haven't seen any Math indicating it's more efficient to farm all of that stuff. How much time does 1 person using these actually save? How long does it take to farm all of the different components? Provide some approximate figures.

You using Elder will give you 50% damage increase, saving 1 minute from the run. Then you use Cure IV which will give AOE bravery to you and your party member. With bravery, everyone in your party including yourself save 12 seconds each from the run for a combined total of 96 seconds. With the initial 1 minute from the essence itself, you have saved a total of 2 minutes and 36 seconds from the run by yourself.
Farming cluster for 10 minutes for example can give you 10-20, so each fragment worth farming for around 30 seconds to one minute. Cure IV fragment can be obtained by killing level 1 bird which just take several seconds to kill.
See now? Elder + Cure IV is worth a minute of farm while saving you 2 minutes 36 seconds just by your contribution. Additionally, this is assuming using one fragment of Cure IV each run, but the reality is you can use Cure IV from one fragment for several DR runs.

This is just one example, there are others like Rend Armor which benefit the entire 24 people, or Seraph Strike which is persistent skill that you can use for the entirety of a relic run, saving even more time significantly all from one fragment worth 30 seconds to 1 minute of farm.

[Goji1639]

You using Elder will give you 50% damage increase, saving 1 minute from the run. Then you use Cure IV which will give AOE bravery to you and your party member. With bravery, everyone in your party including yourself save 12 seconds each from the run for a combined total of 96 seconds. With the initial 1 minute from the essence itself, you have saved a total of 2 minutes and 36 seconds from the run by yourself.
Farming cluster for 10 minutes for example can give you 10-20, so each fragment worth farming for around 30 seconds to one minute. Cure IV fragment can be obtained by killing level 1 bird which just take several seconds to kill.
See now? Elder + Cure IV is worth a minute of farm while saving you 2 minutes 36 seconds just by your contribution. Additionally, this is assuming using one fragment of Cure IV each run, but the reality is you can use Cure IV from one fragment for several DR runs.

This is just one example, there are others like Rend Armor which benefit the entire 24 people, or Seraph Strike which is persistent skill that you can use for the entirety of a relic run, all from one fragment worth 30 seconds to 1 minute of farm.

I'm guessing these are essences from the second half of Bozja. People at the DR phase of their relic likely aren't there yet, aren't appropriate level and won't have access to this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[lezard21]

I'm guessing these are essences from the second half of Bozja. People at the DR phase of their relic likely aren't there yet, aren't appropriate level and won't have access to this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Hello, you are wrong. Here, allow me to correct you.

Elder, Fiendhunter, Duelist, Lost Flare, Dervish and Rend Armor are all essences and actions that you can get from fragments in exchange for 1 cluster LONG BEFORE you can even unlock Delubrum Reginae (you can start purchasing these fragments at rank 10, and DR requires rank 15 to unlock). By your own arcane math, all of these essences provide 3x the boost of Skirmisher, meaning they would save the raid 3x the time of Skirmisher, ie. 3 minutes, while requiring less than a minute to farm.

So not only are you wrong, but you've accidentally revealed that you had no idea of what you were talking about for the past 20 pages, as a result exposing yourself as a troll and saving everyone's time by avoiding responding to you in the future.

Have a nice day.

[Goji1639]

Hello, you are wrong. Here, allow me to correct you.

Elder, Fiendhunter, Duelist, Lost Flare, Dervish and Rend Armor are all essences and actions that you can get from fragments in exchange for 1 cluster LONG BEFORE you can even unlock Delubrum Reginae (you can start purchasing these fragments at rank 10, and DR requires rank 15 to unlock). By your own arcane math, all of these essences provide 3x the boost of Skirmisher, meaning they would save the raid 3x the time of Skirmisher, ie. 3 minutes, while requiring less than a minute to farm.

So not only are you wrong, but you've accidentally revealed that you had no idea of what you were talking about for the past 20 pages, as a result exposing yourself as a troll and saving everyone's time by avoiding responding to you in the future.

Have a nice day.

If clusters are guaranteed drops, the fragments guarantee essences and SE has removed the RNG element then yes, you're right, farming and using them may be more efficient. I think the RNG is still in place, but I don't really care to go back to Bozja and find out exactly what SE did with them in the last patch. If the RNG is still in place then you still need to provide some numbers to finish your point. How long does it take to solo farm clusters; what are the odds of getting the correct essence from a fragment; etc.

Either way, congratulations. It only took the like 5 of you combined roughly 20 pages to piece together the beginning of an actual counterargument. Not the quickest group, are you?

All of us have said pretty much the exact thing, but yes, he's finally won the internet. Now he's done!

No, all of you just made terrible arguments about cumulative gains and rattled off words like leech and lazy through clenched teeth and tears of anger for 20 pages. Then one guy made the beginning of a decent point and you're all jumping in to claim it as your own before it's even finished. So, how long does it take to solo farm clusters? What are the odds of getting the correct essence from a fragment? Create an approximation of how long it takes to consistently farm everything you need for these time saving essence/lost action cocktails, and compare it to an approximation of how much time you're saving.

If you want this win then actually finish the counterargument that you're all trying to take credit for.

[lezard21]

Either way, congratulations. It only took the like 5 of you combined roughly 20 pages to piece together the beginning of an actual counterargument. Not the quickest group, are you?

Yes, indeed, you won the internet, congratulations (let's ignore the fact that you've ignored my previous responses on your cherry picking replies)

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[MilkieTea]

Yes, indeed, you won the internet, congratulations (let's ignore the fact that you've ignored my previous responses on your cherry picking replies)

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All of us have said pretty much the exact thing, but yes, he's finally won the internet. Now he's done!

[Kaurhz]

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If we are talking from a different perspective, it has only taken you approximately 20 pages to see the other side of the argument which people have been constantly non-stop going on about. So we can attribute being slow to you now too, but alas I see you've resorted to the selfsame habit with this comment as to what you've previously been criticizing other people for doing such, this makes you a hypocrite, well done. I'm pretty sure I've been abundantly clear in the fact that you can farm pure essence fragments, and whilst I can agree that the essence in itself isn't guaranteed, the objective benefit is there regardless since you're getting something that is locked to your role. As a physical ranged DPS I'm either way getting Dervish or a Fiendhunter. For convenience the description for Dervish is provided below;

Increases critical hit rate of self and nearby party members by 10%, increases damage dealt by 7%, and reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay by 1%. Duration: 60s

Across all 7 members, this is not a meek benefit either. So regardless of your outlook, you have something that is of significant benefit to both yourself and other members of the party, and like I have told you before, these fragments you can farm anywhere between 150-200 fragments per hour, each fragment will either give an essence or a lost action. I feel like if you're going to try and take the luxury of misattributing everyone's argument, you'd do well to actually make an effort to remember the points being made - This is quite clear in the fact you've asked several successive questions of which you had the answers previously laid out to you in a counterargument yesterday.

Let me in no uncertain terms clear this up for you. This game is an MMO, you are playing with other people. The effort people put into their craft is a benefit that is then passed on to you, comparatively the effort that you put into the craft, is a benefit that is then passed on to other people. The only correct outlook of this is to use the cumulative argument. If you're objectively too selfish to see this, then perhaps you ought to look in the mirror before you make a meek attempt at chalking an argument down to being 'bad'

As I said to you yesterday when you so joyfully wanted to ride the argument of efficiency, be it individual or collective.

You have no essences, join a group on duty finder, experience an average of 45 minute runs, even being lenient here. This guy has spent a cumulative time of 102 hours getting all relics.
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You have someone who spent 1-2~ hours farming 100 pure essences (edit: this does account for the fact you won't always get an essence), they join a group of like-minded individuals, and they encounter 15-18-minute runs. They've spent a cumulative time farming for 36-43 hours to get all relics, including the time spent farming the fragments.

Since you've seemingly wanted to disparage the speed with which people make their point known to you, I'm just going to counter it and say there's a limit to delusion, you know

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Frankly speaking, it’s amazing how far of a stretch they would go performing a mental gymnastic simply to avoid putting minimum modicum of effort.

My guess in a hypothetical situation if where all essence-user left for their own PFs leaving all essence-less players in DF actually occurs (aka 80m run inc), they would simply stop working on (additional) relic(s) and labels the content as an absolute defect & deserve no attention lol.

[Warlyx]

Hello, you are wrong. Here, allow me to correct you.

Elder, Fiendhunter, Duelist, Lost Flare, Dervish and Rend Armor are all essences and actions that you can get from fragments in exchange for 1 cluster LONG BEFORE you can even unlock Delubrum Reginae (you can start purchasing these fragments at rank 10, and DR requires rank 15 to unlock)

DR is at rank 10 , lvl 15 is Zadnor

but yeah u get tons of clusters on your way to 10 (free from quests even)