About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Liam_Harper]

I don't care about "what if everyone thought like you?" I can't control how other people think so why would I base any decision I make on that? It's pointless.

You know what you can control? How you think. You make a conscious choice to either be a lazy self-centered leech, or a useful member of the group who contributes their best.

I did about 70 DR runs in DF before I discovered PF and I took double dps actions and the good Essences every run. Did it benefit me? Not that much. But even if I only shaved 1 minute off the run, that's 1 minute each for 23 other people, multiplied by 70 runs. So I contributed 26 hours worth of saved time split among the people I ran with. For me, that's worth every bit of gil or time spent.

It's only because of players with similar mindset that your runs don't take over an hour every time. You might also say you can't control others thoughts, but who knows if you set an example to others or not. If people see one player doing triple their damage, ripping agro and contributing they might want to do the same or feel encouraged to pop a good essence too. If they see a group of no-essence players, they'll think "what's the point?" and not bother, or even drop party. I've dropped from a few 0-essence DF's before. You can never bring about positive change by becoming the problem.

[Colt47]

In the defense of the OP, at least in DR and Dal it is much harder to hit a fail condition. Castrum is still plagued with groups that lack the firepower to take down the top and bottom properly, because you can't just go by the number of players. It depends on how those players are equipped and buffed. A lot of people getting their ranks up do not have the damage output even on DPS.

In Bazja, the absolute bare minimum is to always bring skirmisher or martialist to a run. That isn't even a question, that is required at this point.

[KageTokage]

I usually go in with either Rend Armor on a melee, Elder + Cure IV on a caster, or Dervish on a ranged DPS since I assume those make the biggest impact on overall DPS.

[Fland]

They keep saying essence only affecting their output while ignoring example of using Elder + Cure IV which affect 7 other people in your party with AOE bravery. Cure IV can be used accross several DRs, and all that time saved combined already more than make up for the time required to farm for Elder and Cure IV fragments, which make this very efficient.
Funny how they keep insisting on being efficient but ignore this example.

[Goji1639]

Thanks for finally admitting that you just want to leach off of other peoples work without putting in the effort to contribute anything meaningful yourself.

Though, had you said you wanted to leech from the beginning, instead of straw-manning and pulling numbers out of Thin Air (what an AMAZING white mage you make!) people wouldn’t be giving you the time of day and I’m quite sure that wouldn’t be what you want. Because if you really were arguing that it’s a waste of time, the hours spent on these forums could’ve been spent farming frags to get essences. It’s not a waste of time - you just want to leech. Cool!

Never said I want to leech off of others, though. I don't care if the other people in DF use essences or not, all I'm saying is that I'm not going to use them because farming them is a waste of my time.

If you want to use essences in DF DR that's 100% your decision. No one asked you to, though, so no one's there to leech off of you.

You know what you can control? How you think. You make a conscious choice to either be a lazy self-centered leech, or a useful member of the group who contributes their best.

Sure, and if you had all just taken this position from the beginning I likely wouldn't have even bothered arguing with you. You're not wrong, my approach is entirely self-serving and you're all free to feel however you want about that. Doesn't bother me at all.

Trying to apply cumulative gains logic to DF to tell me farming for DF is the most efficient thing to do is just ridiculous, though. I get cumulative gains whether I farm or not, so farming is never more efficient.

[MilkieTea]

Never said I want to leech off of others, though. I don't care if the other people in DF use essences or not, all I'm saying is that I'm not going to use them because farming them is a waste of my time

If you want to use essences in DF DR that's 100% your decision. No one asked you to, though, so no one's there to leech off of you.

You benefiting off of the collective gains of others hard work IS leeching. Justify it however you want, it’s leeching. You’re leeching.

If even one person uses an essence in the run, the others in the run are leeching off of that one person who is choosing to put in extra work to make the run go slightly faster. If you’re having 45 min runs, you’re leeching off of the works of others. If you don’t want to benefit off of others work and effort, then go and join groups that don’t use essences, so you can freely enjoy your hours long grind for one weapon.

[Goji1639]

You benefiting off of the collective gains of others hard work IS leeching. Justify it however you want, it’s leeching. You’re leeching.

If even one person uses an essence in the run, the others in the run are leeching off of that one person who is choosing to put in extra work to make the run go slightly faster. If you’re having 45 min runs, you’re leeching off of the works of others. If you don’t want to benefit off of others work and effort, then go and join groups that don’t use essences, so you can freely enjoy your hours long grind for one weapon.

By that logic you're leeching off of everyone who shows up with better essence/lost action setups than you have. Everyone who isn't in the number 1 DPS spot is a leech.

Leeching isn't simply benefitting from someone who's generating more output than you are. Leeching is expecting everyone to generate more output than you so you can benefit, and I don't expect that from anyone.

[MilkieTea]

By that logic you're leeching off of everyone who shows up with better essence/lost action setups than you have. Everyone who isn't in the number 1 DPS spot is a leech.

Leeching isn't simply benefitting from someone who's generating more output than you are. Leeching is expecting everyone to generate more output than you so you can benefit, and I don't expect that from anyone.

Nah, because if everyone shows up with an essence that means they showed up planning to contribute as much as they reasonably can.

You showing up with no essences equates to you leeching off of the work of others. And you even admitted that you don’t care what your contribution is because you’ll benefit off of the COLLECTIVE GAINS of others work.

[Goji1639]

Nah, because if everyone shows up with an essence that means they showed up planning to contribute as much as they reasonably can.

You showing up with no essences equates to you leeching off of the work of others. And you even admitted that you don’t care what your contribution is because you’ll benefit off of the COLLECTIVE GAINS of others work.

Nah, you could definitely contribute more by bringing better essences and lost actions, so why don't you? Other people put in the effort to bring as much as they possibly could, so what's your excuse?

I don't care about my contributions enough to farm, and I also don't expect anyone else to farm either. I'm just saying farming is less efficient because I'll benefit from collective gains even if I don't use an essence, which is true.

[Fland]

I'm just saying farming is less efficient because I'll benefit from collective gains even if I don't use an essence, which is true.

No it's not true. People already gave examples how farming can be more efficient but you just ignore them.