Apartments need Rent

[Almagnus1]

They are, though. Any cursory glance over RMT websites can show that this behavior regarding housing has skyrocketed in the last year, especially.

That's a large reason why I want SE to produce something like EVE Online's PLEX so a player can buy one, sell it on the market to turn it into gil because that attacks RMT.

I mean, we've still got things like https://discord.me/ffxivhousing that exist =/

[MilkieTea]

I would agree with you had you posted the unabridged post and the post date. You did neither, and I am free to assume why you may have... and I think the assumption is actually rather close to the truth based off of how you are reacting.

I’m reacting the way I am because I’m upset that someone would have conversations with me in which I am perfectly willing to provide context when necessary, and then turn around and assume that I’m trying to smear them when I talk to someone else about something else that is only vaguely and tangentially related. I don’t need to provide a dissertation - I left the quote with the link on it for a reason.

I’m reacting the way I am because I thought you were better than that, and I’m upset that you would repeatedly call to question my character and motives when there were no motives.

[Almagnus1]

The reason I ask is, clearly you're upset with the idea that you may have influenced SE to handle things this way. Which I assume you wouldn't be if you were proud of your idea being implemented. So which is it? It's a great idea and coincidence or not you're glad they did it? Or it was a bad idea and you want to distance yourself from it by claiming it was just coincidence and you had nothing to do with it really?

I'm not going to waste time with someone that's under the delusion that I have influenced SE until they can prove that I have.

[Nepentha]

I'm not going to waste time with someone that's under the delusion that I have influenced SE until they can prove that I have.

Ok, then you cannot answer or refuse to answer the question.

Your honor, I'm done with this witness.

[Almagnus1]

I’m reacting the way I am because I’m upset that someone would have conversations with me in which I am perfectly willing to provide context when necessary, and then turn around and assume that I’m trying to smear them when I talk to someone else about something else that is only vaguely and tangentially related. I don’t need to provide a dissertation - I left the quote with the link on it for a reason.

I’m reacting the way I am because I thought you were better than that, and I’m upset that you would repeatedly call to question my character and motives when there were no motives.

You edited the post rather than posting it unabridged (as it is a quote from a different thread), and then added commentary. What did you expect would happen?

[MilkieTea]

You edited the post rather than posting it unabridged (as it is a quote from a different thread), and then added commentary. What did you expect would happen?

You want to know what I did?

I looked for what I remembered- copied it, pasted it, and then copied the quote link. I also posted a blurb about where I remembered it from. Because it was pretty absurd.

Want to know what I thought whilst posting it? “Oh hey, Vahlnir (the dude I mostly agree with on these forums and have had multiple conversations with) wants proof. Let me just link him this post, with the most relevant bit to what he wants. If he wants to read the rest he can click the link!”

Y’know, apologizing isn’t that hard.

[Vahlnir]

You want to know what I did?

I looked for what I remembered- copied it, pasted it, and then copied the quote link. I also posted a blurb about where I remembered it from. Because it was pretty absurd.

Want to know what I thought whilst posting it? “Oh hey, Vahlnir (the dude I mostly agree with on these forums and have had multiple conversations with) wants proof. Let me just link him this post, with the most relevant bit to what he wants. If he wants to read the rest he can click the link!”

Y’know, apologizing isn’t that hard.

How dare you be helpful and stuff! Seriously though, the link was appreciated. Still, I'd be willing to bet it wasn't just one person who put these ideas out there that the developers acted on.

[Almagnus1]

You want to know what I did?

I looked for what I remembered- copied it, pasted it, and then copied the quote link. I also posted a blurb about where I remembered it from. Because it was pretty absurd.

Want to know what I thought whilst posting it? “Oh hey, Vahlnir (the dude I mostly agree with on these forums and have had multiple conversations with) wants proof. Let me just link him this post, with the most relevant bit to what he wants. If he wants to read the rest he can click the link!”

Y’know, apologizing isn’t that hard.

And you have zero historical context for what was going on back then, so zero understanding of how much of a cluster it was to get a house. You had to find a house flipper, pay them gil, hope that someone didn't snipe you, and then buy the house. People were making gil hand over fist for the housing system (which they aren't know) and if you didn't have at least (IIRC) 20M gil to burn, you wouldn't have enough for a small house - and that was in SB currency. Going after a large house? Better hope you have 200M gil (or more) otherwise good luck. There were absolutely NO houses open on the populated worlds because players with too much time and gil would start buying up the houses once they got the alts up high enough to be able to get a house, and after they started forming the shell FCs. 2/4 things in the post YOU LINKED were directly addressing that observation and trying to stop that because normal people didn't have a realistic shot at getting a house on the populated servers and the advice given was "you want a house, go to a smaller server". That was BEFORE we were able to hop servers as easily as we can nowadays.

So yes, I'm a bit miffed at you (and rightfully so) because all you want is the easy forum "win". You refuse to take time and understand something that was going on three years before you joined the forums (and likely three years before you joined FFXIV), so don't understand the frustrations with housing and how Sisyphean it was to attempt to get a house without going through a third party and hoping that they honored the agreement (and enough did not that it was a problem and you had to pray that a GM was willing to side with an agreement made outside of FFXIV or you were out the house flipping fee).

[MilkieTea]

How dare you be helpful and stuff! Seriously though, the link was appreciated. Still, I'd be willing to bet it wasn't just one person who put these ideas out there that the developers acted on.

Oh definitely! I just think that OP’s is the most recognizable, and also that’s probably what itme (was it itme who said that?) was referring to when talking about it.

[MilkieTea]

And you have zero historical context for what was going on back then, so zero understanding of how much of a cluster it was to get a house. You had to find a house flipper, pay them gil, hope that someone didn't snipe you, and then buy the house. People were making gil hand over fist for the housing system (which they aren't know) and if you didn't have at least (IIRC) 20M gil to burn, you wouldn't have enough for a small house - and that was in SB currency. Going after a large house? Better hope you have 200M gil (or more) otherwise good luck. There were absolutely NO houses open on the populated worlds because players with too much time and gil would start buying up the houses once they got the alts up high enough to be able to get a house, and after they started forming the shell FCs. 2/4 things in the post YOU LINKED were directly addressing that observation and trying to stop that because normal people didn't have a realistic shot at getting a house on the populated servers and the advice given was "you want a house, go to a smaller server". That was BEFORE we were able to hop servers as easily as we can nowadays.

So yes, I'm a bit miffed at you (and rightfully so) because all you want is the easy forum "win". You refuse to take time and understand something that was going on three years before you joined the forums (and likely three years before you joined FFXIV), so don't understand the frustrations with housing and how Sisyphean it was to attempt to get a house without going through a third party and hoping that they honored the agreement (and enough did not that it was a problem and you had to pray that a GM was willing to side with an agreement made outside of FFXIV or you were out the house flipping fee).

None of this has any relevance to the conversation that was had. It was a simple “wasnt this the person who did X?” “wait really? proof!” “heres what theyre referring to!”

No context was needed.