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    Talitha Solarien
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    Don't worry/blame yourself for that mess with essences and their myriad of sources that SE has forced upon us. If you don't have the gil and/or clusters then just ignore other players, you can't be kicked out of DR anyway. Will the run go faster if everyone uses essences/actions ? Sure, but then SE should have made it way easier to acquire them. Also the there are way to many different actions/essences and their combinations to make this easy for the average player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien View Post
    Don't worry/blame yourself for that mess with essences and their myriad of sources that SE has forced upon us. If you don't have the gil and/or clusters then just ignore other players, you can't be kicked out of DR anyway. Will the run go faster if everyone uses essences/actions ? Sure, but then SE should have made it way easier to acquire them. Also the there are way to many different actions/essences and their combinations to make this easy for the average player.
    What's so hard about acquiring essences?

    Quote Originally Posted by KhayleZerker View Post
    10 minutes cluster farming might yield me 5 fragments, and the skirmish essence is a 1/7 draw from the fragment. This is literally beneficiary to everyone else except me. Do you get my point?
    Then why do you view the people who call you selfish as hostile? It is not like you are a very altruistic person.

    Quote Originally Posted by KhayleZerker View Post
    I also want the run to go as fast as possible
    No, you don't. If you really wanted the run to go as fast as possible you would have gone out of your way to acquire all of the valour stacks for damage first and foremost. Then you would have searched and/or tested which two actions + essence are the most suited for dmg for the role that you are playing and supply yourself with them. And then you would have queued for DR and out-damage everybody. This is the logical course of actions for people who really want to make the run as fast as possible. Anything else is just lip service. You don't want the run to go as fast as possible, you want your relic grind to end as fast as possible which is why you are not going out of your way to do side stuff which at the end will only result in your relic grind taking longer to complete.

    Edit: Let's not forget about the bozja gear with the special haste. You need to acquire that too. You want the run to go as fast as possible after all.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 06-23-2021 at 05:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien View Post
    Don't worry/blame yourself for that mess with essences and their myriad of sources that SE has forced upon us. If you don't have the gil and/or clusters then just ignore other players, you can't be kicked out of DR anyway. Will the run go faster if everyone uses essences/actions ? Sure, but then SE should have made it way easier to acquire them. Also the there are way to many different actions/essences and their combinations to make this easy for the average player.
    Picture this:
    You are going from A to B location in a car with 3 people.
    The 3 others agreed to split the bill when it comes to pay the toll. Except you, you don't. You don't want to pay anything to go faster. The 3 other paid the maximum they could.
    But your group don't have enough money to pay all tolls, so the driver will have to take a longer path to avoid it. because they paid the first tolls, you will benefit a shorter travel.

    Are the 3 others right to be angry at you? Would you do this to friends?
    Also, essences are crazy easy to get, see my post above. You'll also make good gils out of selling things you'll get in Bozja.
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    Last edited by CKNovel; 06-23-2021 at 04:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Picture this:
    You are going from A to B location in a car with 3 people.
    The 3 others agreed to split the bill when it comes to pay the toll. Except you, you don't. You don't want to pay anything to go faster. The 3 other paid the maximum they could.
    But your group don't have enough money to pay all tolls, so the driver will have to take a longer path to avoid it. because they paid the first tolls, you will benefit a shorter travel.

    Are the 3 others right to be angry at you? Would you do this to friends?
    Also, essences are crazy easy to get, see my post above. You'll also make good gils out of selling things you'll get in Bozja.
    They are not easy to get. There are (as of now) 36 Fragments (with extremely confusing names) you can get. With no information whatsoever in the game where to get them. And buying them on the MB is not an option for a lot of players. Take for example the Skirmisher essence (the only really usable essence for most physical dps jobs), that drops from Sagacity which goes for 10k per fragment on my server. The last time I bought a stack (99) I got 13 Skirmishers out of it. Paying 1 mio gil for that is simply not an option for a lot of players neither is spending hours mindlessly killing mobs for clusters.

    The devs really took the worst aspects of the Lost Logos system from Eureka and made it way worse for the casual players.

    Sure, a run will go a lot faster with essences/action but then SE shouldn't created such a complex and unintuitive system if they expect the average player to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien View Post
    They are not easy to get. There are (as of now) 36 Fragments (with extremely confusing names) you can get. With no information whatsoever in the game where to get them.
    You can google that information. Or ask around. Remember when HW relics and Eureka's quest message would tell you "try asking other players for information" because, you know, this is an MMO and stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien View Post
    They are not easy to get. There are (as of now) 36 Fragments (with extremely confusing names) you can get. With no information whatsoever in the game where to get them. And buying them on the MB is not an option for a lot of players. Take for example the Skirmisher essence (the only really usable essence for most physical dps jobs), that drops from Sagacity which goes for 10k per fragment on my server. The last time I bought a stack (99) I got 13 Skirmishers out of it. Paying 1 mio gil for that is simply not an option for a lot of players neither is spending hours mindlessly killing mobs for clusters.
    1) You didn't made a lot of efforts there, not even googling. Skirmisher essence is not the best, the best is Essence of Beast + Lost Assassination. Both aren't difficult to get.
    2) "I don't have gils or time to farm clusters" are you logging, run Delubrum/Dalriada then logoff? If you have so little time to play, you may have bigger concerns in your life. Yet it looks like you have a lot of time to make different relics or farm mounts.

    "I don't have the time, I can't spend hours to do X" but "I don't want to spend resources to go faster while farming relics", choose one.
    You definitely choose "I don't want to make effort, please carry me and spend your resources to make my gameplay go faster"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    1) You didn't made a lot of efforts there, not even googling. Skirmisher essence is not the best, the best is Essence of Beast + Lost Assassination. Both aren't difficult to get.
    I've farmed Zadnor for mettle, field notes and Daliadra since they came out and I have exactly 3 Lost Assassination in my cache. That is not my definition of "not difficult to get".

    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    2) "I don't have gils or time to farm clusters" are you logging, run Delubrum/Dalriada then logoff? If you have so little time to play, you may have bigger concerns in your life. Yet it looks like you have a lot of time to make different relics or farm mounts.
    Have spied at my Lodestone profile, haven't you ? Just because I can or want spent some real time on the games or willing to spent gil doesn't mean that other players have the same luxury (like for example the OP). In case you have forgotten (like most of the people on this forum) there such a think as understanding other people plight ....


    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    "I don't have the time, I can't spend hours to do X" but "I don't want to spend resources to go faster while farming relics", choose one.
    You definitely choose "I don't want to make effort, please carry me and spend your resources to make my gameplay go faster"
    Oh, I use essences and actions but I don't judge against players that don't do so. And it's not a carry, you can perfectly clear DR without any of them.
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    Beating a dead horse at this point.

    All you have to do is use the dang essences CJ!
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