Reopen the Moogle Pageantry Store now!!

[TaleraRistain]

No. That's barely in the game. And it has no notice that you lose the store, which is noteworthy given the previous Moogle event did keep the store open through now.

And the notices before didn't say you could turn in tomes after the period, either. They also led you to the official website to get full details. They don't put every single thing that's in a patch into the login announcement. That's why they make informative websites to outline all the important things for players to know and they have the login message as a notification/reminder to go look there.

[Fynlar]

Everyone saying "but the end date was mentioned in-game!" is completely missing the point.

The bit about the vendors being unavailable past the end date, which is not how every previous iteration of the event has worked, was certainly NOT mentioned in game.

When something is repeated a certain way 4-5 times or however many times it's been, *especially* in a game like this that loves to follow repetitious cycles, it's only natural that some people are going to be tripped up when that way suddenly changes. When it's in a way that isn't in the player's favor (like the vendor becoming unavailable sooner than what people will expect), it's going to result in threads like these being created.

You certainly could say that it's their own fault for not following the link and carefully checking for the single line of fine print that mentions it. Doesn't change the fact that it was a sneaky consumer-unfriendly thing for them to do. Like I said, there was no good to come out of changing things like this, only disappointment.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Everyone saying "but the end date was mentioned in-game!" is completely missing the point.

The bit about the vendors being unavailable past the end date, which is not how every previous iteration of the event has worked, was certainly NOT mentioned in game.

When something is repeated a certain way 4-5 times or however many times it's been, *especially* in a game like this that loves to follow repetitious cycles, it's only natural that some people are going to be tripped up when that way suddenly changes. When it's in a way that isn't in the player's favor (like the vendor becoming unavailable sooner than what people will expect), it's going to result in threads like these being created.

You certainly could say that it's their own fault for not following the link and carefully checking for the single line of fine print that mentions it. Doesn't change the fact that it was a sneaky consumer-unfriendly thing for them to do. Like I said, there was no good to come out of changing things like this, only disappointment.

With the way they ignored all of the other messages though, do you really thing they would have read the in game messages?

How often do we have people HOLD the release button in dungeons and then think they were accepting a raise. Happens fairly often in my experience. Or the savage loot message when skipping to later floors "why couldn't i get loot"

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

To be fair, I'd say at least half the people lecturing about "take responsibility, your fault" probably paid no attention to the fine print either and just happened to catch the reminder thread posted here or someone mentioning it in-game.

Dunno about anyone else, but I've been aware of the fact the tomes would be useless after the event cut-off basically since it was announced.

Because I actually know how to read, which is more than can be said for a good majority of the people whining that they "had no warning" about this.

Would it be nice for the moogle to have remained for a little while after the event was officially over? Sure. But that would not solve the issue, as there will always be someone who forgot or didn't read or didn't know (because they didn't read) - and then they'll complain all over again. Kinda like the late-comers who can't keep up with Hunt trains.

It really is up to people to take some responsibility and inform themselves or be aware. That really is not asking for as much as some people seem to think it is.

You certainly could say that it's their own fault for not following the link and carefully checking for the single line of fine print that mentions it. Doesn't change the fact that it was a sneaky consumer-unfriendly thing for them to do. Like I said, there was no good to come out of changing things like this, only disappointment.

Except there was nothing "sneaky" about it. If people took the time to read they would know. SE has no obligation to spoon feed people too lazy to read a login message, let alone anything else.

[Fynlar]

How often do we have people HOLD the release button in dungeons and then think they were accepting a raise. Happens fairly often in my experience. Or the savage loot message when skipping to later floors "why couldn't i get loot"

I have literally never seen this happen to anyone in my parties ever since they added the (quite frankly way too long; the 2 seconds should be shortened to 0.5 or 1 at the very most, 2 seconds is quite an irritating delay when I am trying to release intentionally) requirement to hold the button down to release -- whereas it did happen with some frequency prior to them adding the delay.

I don't really do Savage (and I most definitely wouldn't PUG it) so I can't comment on that.

Except there was nothing "sneaky" about it.

Disagree. When you do things one way consistently for several event iterations and then suddenly change it without either an explanation or an actual in-game message saying so (only a link that has a single-line blurb mentioning it that wasn't even right there at the very top), it's sneaky.

Would it be nice for the moogle to have remained for a little while after the event was officially over? Sure.

Considering that's how every previous iteration of the event has worked, yes.

[TaleraRistain]

You certainly could say that it's their own fault for not following the link and carefully checking for the single line of fine print that mentions it. Doesn't change the fact that it was a sneaky consumer-unfriendly thing for them to do. Like I said, there was no good to come out of changing things like this, only disappointment.

It wasn't in fine print. It was in the big same box for every moogle event that informs you that you can only get the tomes during the event. This time the text was slightly different.

And the vendors remaining available for the other events is not information that is ever in game. That's found on the event website, just like this small difference was, so there was no missing information in-game. The message was the same for all other moogle events and gave the time it was active, with the website to get full details provided.

Believe me, I will hold SE's feet to the fire for consumer-unfriendly things but the information was out there on this.

[Vespar]

While I will agree its on the person to have read the fine print about the event times, I do think the itinerant moogle turn in method should change. You already earned the tokens and the itinerant moogle doesnt leave now. he's always available to show what was up as rewards, so why not just make it so that you can still turn them in, you just cant get anymore of whatever mog tomes were available...

[Burmecia]

i could have bought, like, 3 more dwarf bunnies or something with my 23 tomes but because i was dumdum i had to delete them and, like, that's what i did
what is this thread? :'D

[Fynlar]

It wasn't in fine print. It was in the big same box for every moogle event that informs you that you can only get the tomes during the event. This time the text was slightly different.

It was a change that served to potentially screw many people out of the work they'd done farming tomes, and it was just a single line of text that wasn't even there directly in-game, but rather over halfway down a webpage (and not even mentioned right next to, I don't know, the actual end date of the event...)

As far as I'm concerned, that's fine print.

Believe me, I will hold SE's feet to the fire for consumer-unfriendly things but the information was out there on this.

Like I said, it is perfectly reasonable to argue that the information was indeed out there and that the fault lies with the players who got screwed.

It still does not change the fact that this was an unnecessary, consumer-unfriendly change that only could have resulted in player dissatisfaction. It's okay if you can't admit to that. I'll do it instead.

While I will agree its on the person to have read the fine print about the event times, I do think the itinerant moogle turn in method should change. You already earned the tokens and the itinerant moogle doesnt leave now. he's always available to show what was up as rewards, so why not just make it so that you can still turn them in, you just cant get anymore of whatever mog tomes were available...

Precisely. There was no good reason to suddenly change how this event worked (no reason that they've given us, anyway) other than to screw players over.

But, as ever, white knights gonna white knight.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

It still does not change the fact that this was an unnecessary, consumer-unfriendly change that only could have resulted in player dissatisfaction. It's okay if you can't admit to that. I'll do it instead.

Precisely. There was no good reason to suddenly change how this event worked (no reason that they've given us, anyway) other than to screw players over.

But, as ever, white knights gonna white knight.

The biggest issue people have is assuming. Never assume. Stop assuming! It does nothing for you nor the company! In any capacity!

At any time, SE can change anything in any aspect of the game or ToS whenever they want. They did their part by giving a warning about the tomes being useless past the cut-off date. Just because other Moogle tome events left the moogle in for a time after, does not mean they are obligated to do this nor will always do this. This was also a special event specifically for Fanfest.

This is not white knighting, this is literally telling people to stop assuming and stomping their feet because they didn't take it upon themselves to read something that SE did what they could to inform people about.

Seriously, I feel like I'm at work right now trying to explain something this basic to people in a thread on the forums started by a known troll. I deal with this kind of petulance and lack of self responsibility every day and boy, I can tell you - SE ain't the one at fault here. Not by a long shot lmao.