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  1. #121
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    Fynlar's Avatar
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    Fynlar Eira
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    The biggest issue people have is assuming. Never assume. Stop assuming! It does nothing for you nor the company! In any capacity!
    They're going to do it though, especially in a game like this that is built around routine and repetition.

    You can call it an "issue" if you like, but it's not going to change the fact that it'll happen, and SE knows it'll happen. This isn't their first year running a MMO.

    At any time, SE can change anything in any aspect of the game or ToS whenever they want.
    Just because you can do something doesn't mean it'll be liked, respected, or something you *should* do.

    This is not white knighting, this is literally telling people to stop assuming and stomping their feet because they didn't take it upon themselves to read something that SE did what they could to inform people about.
    lolololol, yeah, sure they did.

    Seriously, I feel like I'm at work right now trying to explain something this basic to people in a thread on the forums started by a known troll.
    The biggest issue people here have is assuming that just because someone is a "known troll", everything they say must be wrong or must be ridiculed. Here though, I feel like they bring up a good point. I'm not the only one in here, either.

    That's association fallacy, for those interested. (I better not catch anyone being confused about this later; it's all on you if you don't click the link to educate yourself.)
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  2. #122
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Cry harder. That might get SE to reopen the store Who knows!?
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  3. #123
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    Kaoru_Nagisa's Avatar
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    Crowe Valtyr
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    They're going to do it though, especially in a game like this that is built around routine and repetition.

    You can call it an "issue" if you like, but it's not going to change the fact that it'll happen, and SE knows it'll happen. This isn't their first year running a MMO.

    Just because you can do something doesn't mean it'll be liked, respected, or something you *should* do.

    lolololol, yeah, sure they did.

    The biggest issue people here have is assuming that just because someone is a "known troll", everything they say must be wrong or must be ridiculed. Here though, I feel like they bring up a good point. I'm not the only one in here, either.

    That's association fallacy, for those interested. (I better not catch anyone being confused about this later; it's all on you if you don't click the link to educate yourself.)
    At this point I'm labelling you as a Karen and moving on with my day.

    Tl;dr they did plenty to inform people - if you all don't know how to read or make the effort to look at the event page, that's entirely on you and you alone. Quit blaming other people or companies for your own incompetence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisama View Post
    The average playerbase is mindbogglingly bad at this game.
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    Expecting basic job mechanics is toxic now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Karowolus View Post
    If WoW has a toxic negativity problem, XIV has a toxic Positivity problem

  4. #124
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    It was a change that served to potentially screw many people out of the work they'd done farming tomes, and it was just a single line of text that wasn't even there directly in-game, but rather over halfway down a webpage (and not even mentioned right next to, I don't know, the actual end date of the event...)
    Right. The same place they always tell people the tomes are only available to obtain during the event. That box is not new, just the addition that "item exchange" would also not be available. It would be nice if they explained why they changed things up, but it's their discretion to do that any time. They made sure the information was out there about the change.
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  5. #125
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    WanderingStar's Avatar
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    Sophie Myste
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Nope; I've just seen enough troll posts with troll alts to recognize suspicious activity. Is she? Who knows. Her other posts are generally good so she's probably just been legit trollbaited.

    Big difference between a general low post count, but overall good messages (which looking at her posts, she passes that smell test) and choosing to defend a known troll (which is what made me suspicious).

    I assume we've all played Clue? Being suspicious is not an accusation.
    You guys sound insane. I am a normal player who got got by SE taking away the moogle vender. You guys can't see past your forum politics that literally apply to only you. There are millions of people who play this game lol.
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  6. #126
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    kaynide's Avatar
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingStar View Post
    I am a normal player who got got by SE taking away the moogle vender.
    I apologize then if that’s the case, but I was only reacting to well known red flags on the forum.

    As for the quoted bit, how is it you “got got” by SE? Like, were we to sit down with the devs, what more do you think they possibly could have done to make it any clearer that this event was time limited? Or how should they conduct future limited time events?

    It’s basically the same stuff we heard when the GARO event was ending and people got angry days before/after when it had been going on for like a year. That event was also crystal clear in notes that it was going to end.

    No sarcasm or snark here: how else should SE explain to the players about future events that are limited time? If the moogle had said it in his opening text every time you talk to home would that have been enough? Would that kind of thing need to be done for all limited time events? (Some have done this, saying such and such will only be around until such and such date)
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    Last edited by kaynide; 06-16-2021 at 09:25 PM.

  7. #127
    Player Lanadra's Avatar
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    Alessia Adaka
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    Moogle
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsushiro View Post
    Didn't choose not to. I just come to expect that when something is designed a certain way 5 times, the 6th time it will be the same. Ooops.
    Do they normally hold one Moogle event.. then another one a month later..? I don't think so, maybe that too should have made you go 'wait what?' I know it did for me.

    To add on, it was also because I went 'wait what?' that I went to check the page, because another Moogle event so soon didn't seem normal to me.. especially since the gap between the previous two was like 9 or so months. Lo and behold.. it wasn't a 'normal' Moogle event, but a special done specifically for Fanfest.. with slightly different rules. Inform thyself.

    Face it, you made an assumption that this was another normal Moogle event, this was an error on your part. You then, acting from that assumption, neglected to read up on anything about it, another error on your part. As a result, you missed the cut off window and were left with a now useless currency, irritating, believe me I know, I forgot to turn my last tomestones in before the cut off because I was distracted by MSQ Roulette.. but ultimate it's on you. And finally.. you come here to whine like a petulant child, stomping your feet and making demands, another error on your part. Accept it, you mucked up, move on and stop complaining.
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    Last edited by Lanadra; 06-16-2021 at 11:49 PM.

  8. #128
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    Artemiz's Avatar
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    Darwinian Origin
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingStar View Post
    You guys sound insane. I am a normal player who got got by SE taking away the moogle vender. You guys can't see past your forum politics that literally apply to only you. There are millions of people who play this game lol.
    Subject aside, as we are on different sides of this debate, I do think you make a good point here. There are quite a few people on this forum who seem obsessed with forum politics and run around barking at the moon about trolls, they need to calm down and get some sunshine.
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  9. #129
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    EtheReal_Zero_X's Avatar
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    Alexis Sommerwind
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    Phoenix
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    Dark Knight Lv 80

    Fan fest Moogle Tomes

    I dont know if these were already mentioned before, but I have to add some points to this topic too (and these points also explain WHY I dont know if they were brought up before, too, so pls dont shitpost the hell out of me, as I am only trying to be "heared" and so I guessed the official forum is the best address to be...)

    Please give us another chance to spend them. There are ppl (like myself) - working in 3 shifts and/or on weekends AND have real life responsibilities for family members - who just aren't able to be super up to date regarding such time-frames, letting alone reading/remembering some small texts on the lodestone post or ingame when logging in, when you want to actually play the game if you got time, and not to read up on updates for half an hour before you are good to go.

    This is even more reasonable as it was always possible to still exchange mog tomes until the next event after the collection-period of an event was over.

    I find it lowkey a kick in our moogle butts (sorry, language!) that it was handled differently this time. And am not alone with it, as it seems, as there are multiple tweets and forum posts saying the same thing like me, at this state it's almost so dissapointing to see these stones in my inventory, that I almost dont even want to login and play anymore.

    Yes I am also disapointet of myself, that I did not read carefully enough / remember too, but I think the beforementioned points are valid enough to be reasonable.

    Having them farmed in any way we did, invested our time on earnign them, just to have them as "dead currency" now, is, like I said, dissapointing and not fair at all. Always remember, time is limited, it should not been treated as if it's wothless.
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  10. #130
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    Axxion's Avatar
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    Equinox Axxion
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtheReal_Zero_X View Post
    I don't know if these were already mentioned before, but I have to add some points to this topic too (and these points also explain WHY I don't know if they were brought up before, too, so pls dont shitpost the hell out of me, as I am only trying to be "heard" and so I guessed the official forum is the best address to be...)

    Please give us another chance to spend them. There are ppl (like myself) - working in 3 shifts and/or on weekends AND have real life responsibilities for family members - who just aren't able to be super up to date regarding such time-frames, letting alone reading/remembering some small texts on the lodestone post or in game when logging in, when you want to actually play the game if you got time, and not to read up on updates for half an hour before you are good to go.

    This is even more reasonable as it was always possible to still exchange mog tomes until the next event after the collection-period of an event was over.

    I find it lowkey a kick in our moogle butts (sorry, language!) that it was handled differently this time. And am not alone with it, as it seems, as there are multiple tweets and forum posts saying the same thing like me, at this state it's almost so dissapointing to see these stones in my inventory, that I almost dont even want to login and play anymore.

    Yes I am also disapointet of myself, that I did not read carefully enough / remember too, but I think the beforementioned points are valid enough to be reasonable.

    Having them farmed in any way we did, invested our time on earning them, just to have them as "dead currency" now, is, like I said, disappointing and not fair at all. Always remember, time is limited, it should not been treated as if it's worthless.
    For this i can get behind and not the op. I mean an a few days extension would not. Real takes more importance
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    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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