FF14 community

[Liam_Harper]

You're using bad logic, though. Me specifically farming essences isn't going to save me any time

It's because most people follow this mindset that runs take an hour. You don't ever solve a problem by being a part of it.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

I love the community, but at the same time I'm scared to say much of anything around alot of people, This is due to how people label things which with how I am, I'm an emotional type of person, I basically wear my heart on my sleeve i say what I mean, I state my opinions and play in my own style ... the problem with Community's (not just ffxiv)

Is you have an Opinion, you state it.. you have suggestion you state it and try to open up a calm discussion and then you have people who on purpose try to set you off and end the discussion or thought for w/e nonsense reason they have, Just because a thought/suggestion is dark/outside the box are something extremely different doesn't mean a person is "trolling" or whatever else nonsense you want to put it, all it means is a person wants something different from the game.

Which this is a huge proplem, in my eyes because the devs /mods and in fact other players expect a person to not be a robot when people sit there and poke you with a stick over and over and over and over again then the second you let out a little of your realistic irritation your screwed... Its almost like if you walk into a donut shop and want to order a muffin which they sell and then everyone stands up starts b-rating you but the second you snap your the wrong one. That's literally how talking about anything is with most community's


so in alot of ways, i have to agree with how you feel OP.. and I know 1-3 people from this will attack me over this lol

Thank you I want to see about deleting this thread or possibly deleting my account on the forums. I am thinking about just playing solo and staying away from most players since if you give any sort of criticism they hound you out. The game isn't perfect at all and there is alot of things that could be fixed but as soon as you say something they attack you. DR, BSF isn't perfect at all. They act like people have tons of gil to buy the fragments or can sit and grind for essences knowing that it is random what you get, it be nice if you could choose but that isn't the case. I regret posting anything and it lets me see what kind of community we truly have. Every one on youtube put on rainbow sugar coated glasses but in the end the community isn't as upbeat as people say

[Shougun]

I still feel that this is primarily an issue as it's communities colliding ( "still" as in I''ve seen other issues on the essence system, and I think it's largely from not the audience used to using consumables in the first place). If you were in a hardcore group and were like "food and potions are useless, or sacred, I refuse" they'd likely set you straight or right out the door, meanwhile more casual that consumable stuff is just a great nuisance (or worse you've a player who can't be bothered to use their default other skills so no point mentioning extra stuff lol). For content where the worlds are meant to collide I hope they consider something more long term or partially so, as an option. If not some sort of FFIX FFVII learning system perhaps just like one slot that can be held that prevents consuming. I believe a much larger portion would be into using these items if you had such a system in place. Maybe unlocks at a certain rank, lets you hold one benefit in a non-perishable slot. (Although personally I think if you made them all learn-able, and have equip slots, then you'd get people who learn them all just because they can, which adds a sort of extra grind content to do).

For some people using a consumable is just pure ew. It's not that they're useless, it's just.. "ew". I can tell you personally if I know I can win the content without in sRPGs I will not use the consumable item, I'd rather collect it lol. Although I would never purposefully lose either, so in multiplayer situation I tend to consume more because losing costs more both personally and socially (if you lose a boss fight it's going to be like another 5 minutes before you can do it again or less in an sRPG, in an MMO it could be hours wasted for many people). Of course such a system would reduce economic opportunities, which is a down side, but even if you had it like use X skill X amount of times to perma learn- that would for some period of time push the economy (perhaps better than before, depending on what the X was, as someone would know after 100 casts they learn it forever they might just spam the skill and also buy up / farm it more earnestly). As a semi related aside, FFVIII's magic system drove me nuts and I really dislike it lol. It came round in FFVX and I greatly disliked it there too . . .

[Nethereal]

You're using bad logic, though.

*Admits to not using essences lowering their damage intentionally making things take longer for everyone themselves included*
*Says them lowering their damage does not increase how long the run will be*
*Talks about people using bad logic*

I get the whole "If you can't beat em' join em" thing but you don't have to go off the deep end of mental gymnastics.

[hobostew]

It should never have been tuned under the assumption people were going to use essences but since it is you should go ahead and use essences.

On the other hand it doesn't help as much as people think given that % increase to someone's low damage is not exactly adding a lot.

[Goji1639]

It's because most people follow this mindset that runs take an hour. You don't ever solve a problem by being a part of it.

You can't solve that problem period. So, you have 2 options: A. You can farm essences and run 15 DRs where you have no control over the duration, or B. You can NOT farm essences and run 15 DRs where you have no control over the duration.

I'll take option B. I don't care about trying to solve some macro issue in content I don't like; I just want my relic so I can leave Bozja and never come back. Spending time farming essences doesn't get me to that goal quicker.

*Admits to not using essences lowering their damage intentionally making things take longer for everyone themselves included*
*Says them lowering their damage does not increase how long the run will be*
*Talks about people using bad logic*

I get the whole "If you can't beat em' join em" thing but you don't have to go off the deep end of mental gymnastics.

I'm 1/24th of the damage in DR and an essence would only increase my damage 20%.

The ones using mental gymnastics are the ones trying to convince people that spending hours farming essences will actually be a net gain for them. It won't. The duration of any DR you're in is not under your control.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Hello. Figure this be a wasted vent and useless but feel like the community isn't all that is cracked up to be. I feel like at least half the community wants other players to become perfect and be 150% better. I ran a DR with complete randoms and all I ever hear is get essences use essences etc. Have you ever thought maybe I don't have time to grind for fragments and hope that RNG gives me the essence I need?

Maybe tell the devs that the whole thing is stupid to rely on essence potions to buff up our DPS. Maybe they should of let our gear dictate our damage. I just feel like this game went from being fun to almost a job on how we have to strive for perfection or don't play.

I know it falls on deaf ears a few years ago as I was learning had a person use a parser to make fun of me in a raid back in SB. Of course nothing happened as always. People just turn a blind eye.

So just say you don't have them and cba grinding for them. I use them when I have them. And I am not all that bothered about the fights going as fast as possible, there are party finder groups to run full essence anyway. You can literally report people if they are harassing you about doing anything in this game. If it bugs you enough, report them. SE don't do nothing about it, have u seen how many "idk why I am in jail" posts there have been? They jus wont tell you if they have actioned an account for privacy reasons. If you like a more chill playstyle you do you. 99% of people I meet in this game are perfectly nice and the one's that are not I report for whatever shenanigans they are up to.

That being said, each individual person suggesting to use an essence is not necessarily in malice. I hated Eureka and I didn't know which essences to use for Bozja at first, I wouldn't use them because I thought like a pot they would have a timer. I was informed otherwise so I use em more often now but I am saving some for savage. You might get sick of hearing the same stuff but remember these people are not trying to make u an elite most likely, they are just trying to help YOU and themselves.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Thank you I want to see about deleting this thread or possibly deleting my account on the forums. I am thinking about just playing solo and staying away from most players since if you give any sort of criticism they hound you out. The game isn't perfect at all and there is alot of things that could be fixed but as soon as you say something they attack you. DR, BSF isn't perfect at all. They act like people have tons of gil to buy the fragments or can sit and grind for essences knowing that it is random what you get, it be nice if you could choose but that isn't the case. I regret posting anything and it lets me see what kind of community we truly have. Every one on youtube put on rainbow sugar coated glasses but in the end the community isn't as upbeat as people say

You are getting the forum people sweetness. One's who regularly lurk here are more "die hard" and opinionated, because... why lurk a forum if you are not an opinionated mofo looking for a debate? In every game the forums represent a tiny portion of the population within the game. Honestly, you are a bit too doom and gloom due to some people trolling. You can clap back, ignore and block them, outwit them etc
I have met so many lovely randoms in this game. I remember when I was new a complete stranger went to the bother of crafting me relevant gear for my level since I was so behind. My first FC I stuck with taught me a lot, they were very nice and the FC I am in now boots any people who are toxic very quickly. You should not judge the community so harshly because of some keyboard warriors on a forum.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Using appropriate essences is the bare minimum though? Do you similarly not use lost actions because "you don't have time to grind"? Your excuse falls flat as well considering you can buy fragments in bulk across all the servers in your data center.

It's really not though? Me being in the content and smacking things is the bare minimum. Don't apply your standards to someone else. I make no excuse, if there is a run I am not using an essence then.. I'm not using an essence? I'm perfectly chill doing one DR or so every couple days and I don't always feel the need to rush it to 20mins. If one's like yourself want to speed run, great! There are PFs up to do just that. Avoid queing and instead go into those. No point getting panties in a twist over something you cant and have no right to control.

[Puremallace]

So the thing about Bozdja, DR and Zadnor is you have to remember who the content is designed for. So just like Ultimates are designed for a more hardcore raid focused min/maxer DR is also designed for that audience.

There is nothing that actually requires essenses or grinding but it does cut off a large amount of time because they content is designed for people who like to grind something and see a big power gain. That is the entire point of it.

Outside of a glamour most will use the weapon from the Weapon Extreme to get that max ilvl reward. The community is there but yes I agree it falls apart quickly when randoms all meet up in content designed to be optimized but that applies to any raid in FF14.