Square Enix respects my time

[StriderShinryu]

While I do think the compare and contrast is very valid, I do wish we would get off the whole "Prominent WoW Player X should play FF14!" kick that's been going around lately. Sure they may enjoy FF14 but, if they aren't yet, they probably have a reason they aren't. I'd much rather they come to the game organically or not at all than have them essentially forced into it, and I would much rather they come to making FF14 content of their own accord rather than just "I'm a content creator and I play FF14 so I must make content for it!"

FF14 is doing just fine without, say, Bellular playing it. Nothing against him and if he wants to play it then cool, but we don't NEED him to play it and the game will keep doing just fine if he continues to spend all of his time ranting about a game he clearly has a ton of issues with.

[Gameovers]

While I do think the compare and contrast is very valid, I do wish we would get off the whole "Prominent WoW Player X should play FF14!" kick that's been going around lately. Sure they may enjoy FF14 but, if they aren't yet, they probably have a reason they aren't. I'd much rather they come to the game organically or not at all than have them essentially forced into it, and I would much rather they come to making FF14 content of their own accord rather than just "I'm a content creator and I play FF14 so I must make content for it!"

FF14 is doing just fine without, say, Bellular playing it. Nothing against him and if he wants to play it then cool, but we don't NEED him to play it and the game will keep doing just fine if he continues to spend all of his time ranting about a game he clearly has a ton of issues with.

I do agree there. Same with Asmondgold. I don't understand why a bit of the playerbase needs to defend the game on all fronts. But then gets mad when people like Scottzone makes one tiny comment about the raids and they get pissed and make this man stop streaming content period.

[Shougun]

While I do think the compare and contrast is very valid, I do wish we would get off the whole "Prominent WoW Player X should play FF14!" kick that's been going around lately. Sure they may enjoy FF14 but, if they aren't yet, they probably have a reason they aren't. I'd much rather they come to the game organically or not at all than have them essentially forced into it, and I would much rather they come to making FF14 content of their own accord rather than just "I'm a content creator and I play FF14 so I must make content for it!"

FF14 is doing just fine without, say, Bellular playing it. Nothing against him and if he wants to play it then cool, but we don't NEED him to play it and the game will keep doing just fine if he continues to spend all of his time ranting about a game he clearly has a ton of issues with.

Certainly don't /need/ someone like him to come over but there is a difference from saying "oh that could be good" and he "needs to".

I guess just defending myself, if you had lumped my comment on him as if I was saying he had to lol.

Maybe you weren't, and were focusing particularly on just those who were more "oh we gotta have him", I just thought he'd make a good addition and in terms of big player chess moves it wouldn't be bad if SE beckoned him to take a viewer base that could make potentially a good player base. Like by giving him an opportunity to interview or something, since he loves talking dev stuff- have him talk about design philosophy and the approach to player environment, respecting player time and such (things he loves to talk about), I bet that would go well with him and his viewers, of course there would probably need to be a comment "don't use this interview as an opportunity to talk down to WoW" as that would help create an us vs them optics that isn't ideal. Naturally not required (game is already very successful, so it's not some famished for help situation), but if one was viewing it like a chess match... his sphere I feel is one of the better spheres you'd want to move in on (for FFXIV).

[Y2K21]

We are complaining about bunny hats and casuals needing better ways to learn their rotations. These guys are complaining about core fundamental broken concepts with a 16 year old MMO.

Just appreciate what you got here people.

Ill bite on this. Ive read some of your ideals on other forums previously (I dont fully agree with them or to the extent you say).

You can appreciate what you have, yes -- but that doesnt absolve from criticism when it is needed. FF14 has plenty of things to criticize but that doesnt necessarily make it a terrible game by any means. Absolving criticism tends to bring the community into a state of lacksidasical nature towards issues. We saw this with how WoW developed.

"Why does WoW need to change if they have such the firm grip on the MMO market" would be an example. Plenty of such was issued back in the day since the once juggernaut powered through competitor after competitor.

Game have their cracks and its good to point out when there are some. Viera/Hrothgar having issues with hairstyles and hats is a problem that extends to the personalization of your character that gives the system flaws. People acting like its a non-issue in a game that puts importance on player integration, personal progression, and story should be more concerned in such notions since such flaws hamper and limit integration.

Complacency is what got to WoW into the state it is in -- repeating it for another game follows the same suit.

[Y2K21]

While I do think the compare and contrast is very valid, I do wish we would get off the whole "Prominent WoW Player X should play FF14!" kick that's been going around lately. Sure they may enjoy FF14 but, if they aren't yet, they probably have a reason they aren't. I'd much rather they come to the game organically or not at all than have them essentially forced into it, and I would much rather they come to making FF14 content of their own accord rather than just "I'm a content creator and I play FF14 so I must make content for it!"

FF14 is doing just fine without, say, Bellular playing it. Nothing against him and if he wants to play it then cool, but we don't NEED him to play it and the game will keep doing just fine if he continues to spend all of his time ranting about a game he clearly has a ton of issues with.

I'd go one step further and say -- you do not want the highly critical WoW content creators coming into the community either OR atleast with the same perspective that they have with WoW.

They have a megaphone and any criticism is broadcasted to their larger audience. Imagine if Asmon did decide to play FF14 -- what if his experience was negative? How would that broadcast to other MMO players or fans?

[Fawkes]

WoW posters always bringing up some random streamer/youtuber always makes me wonder if the threads like this are performative to try and gain brownie points with their internet best friend.

[Y2K21]

WoW posters always bringing up some random streamer/youtuber always makes me wonder if the threads like this are performative to try and gain brownie points with their internet best friend.

Validation through streamers is dumb. If you like game, you dont need your favorite personality playing it too.

[ReynTime]

They do care about the game, yes.

Yet ultimately they're a business and have access to some of the best PR firms and tactics in the world.

One might even be inclined to suggest that there's a lack of healthy competition where the MMO market is concerned, too. That may or may not change in the future.

Not sure about MMO, but MMORPG definitely.
People can scream "GW2", "PoE" etc all they want, but the truth is there really are only 3 MMORPGs of note in the market now. FFXIV, WoW and ESO. Everything else lacks the range, or is too focused on pleasing 3X year olds who just want to play the games they played when they were teens.

[Y2K21]

Not sure about MMO, but MMORPG definitely.
People can scream "GW2", "PoE" etc all they want, but the truth is there really are only 3 MMORPGs of note in the market now. FFXIV, WoW and ESO. Everything else lacks the range, or is too focused on pleasing 3X year olds who just want to play the games they played when they were teens.

OSRS still has a rather sized community as well.

[Silpher]

what if his experience was negative? How would that broadcast to other MMO players or fans?

As a wow vet from way back in vanilla I'll be honest. Wow is in an extremely depressing state atm, and most wow players are just so used to not only mediocrity but being ignored. Something that's completely the opposite of how ffxiv is.

Tbh I don't think asmon would ever play ffxiv. But as for bellular he would probably enjoy it. Let's say he did have a negative experience. Though I doubt it would all be negative for him, its not ALL bad that he reaches a large audience. He's a pretty chill guy and is pretty rational in most of his videos, and while I don't think ffxiv needs him new content creators with established and large audiences is nothing but a good thing for ffxiv.

But considering that square ACTUALLY listens to its players feed back, along with the devs actually playing the game, I just really don't see bellular not enjoying it. Especially when u look at the train wreck that is SL 9.1. God it looks awful and the jailer is just a boring bad guy.