Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

[RyuDragnier]

Bozja(sigh)

Was disappointed to see the new zone music was the same, but not surprised. Not a fan of the relics at all and they feel worse than the Eureka ones tbh. It feels like they’re all missing glows or something. Not a fan of them making the raid similar to castrum in terms of queuing...why even make DR different then. It was complaints that asked for a duty finder for these and then they just completely go back to the problem again. Leveling in the new zone is easy but insanely mind numbing. It got to a point i was just in zone 3 doing the same 4 skirmishes over and over. It felt like a literally cycle of hell. Overall the story was okay, hoping to see Gabranth in 6.0 but the content itself was very very dull.

I'd say they thought ahead well. My friend cleared it in an 8-man (I watched him stream it), so we don't need the instances to be full, just 8 people alone can do it.

Regarding that end

It's framed as if his death was actually faked.

And the reason for Lyon's mutiny makes no sense. When we last see them in game, Gabranth is basically like "Hey Lyon, take some of the heat man" and Lyon is all like "sure man no problemo". He shows no resentment for Noah's decision. Also I may have paraphrased a bit.

Also the record states that Lyon and other high ranking IVth legion officers, including one Sicinus mal Velletus, are still at large as war criminals, so they are still an unresolved thread.

This was also done in FF12 early on in its backstory twice, with both Ashe and Basch.

[Theodric]

This was also done in FF12 early on in its backstory twice, with both Ashe and Basch.

It's also the case in Final Fantasy Tactics.

Ramza survives the events of the game, though his demise is faked and it isn't until much later in Ivalice's history that the truth surrounding his actions is revealed to the world. I think it'd be pretty disappointing if Gabranth was indeed killed off screen but I'm reluctant to take that at face value just yet. We've already had the Return to Ivalice story carry over into Save the Queen so there's already a precedent for the story to be picked up again in the upcoming expansion. There's still arguably a lot of FFXIV's version of Ivalice to tap into, after all.

If Gabranth was just going to be killed off, there was ample opportunity to do it during the confrontation aboard the Dalriada. His counterpart in FFXII is also one of the more popular and memorable characters in the story, being a key player in the defeat of Vayne and Venat. I'd be very surprised if nothing was done with him, given FFXIV's history of fanservice.

Ultimately, it's likely written to be open ended to account for Matsuno being a guest writer. If he's invited to continue serving in such a capacity in the future, the plot point can be picked up again. If not, it leaves things open to speculation as to what truly went down.

[Alleo]

About the MSQ

I found it a bit funny that they right away were like "off to Sharlyan we go". I was like "what? And leave Eorzea behind?" Thankfully there was a choice that had my WoL with similiar thoughts.

I guess it will just be like Ala Mhigo? Where we will just leave them behind and nothing bad happens?

[KageTokage]

Regarding the Zadnor ending...

In hindsight, it does seem rather possible Gabranth's "death" was staged but even if it was, with the IVth legion basically dissolved and a terminal illness catching up with him it seems unlikely he'll be able accomplish much of anything...though if those allagan relics he discovered are of them same sort as Save the Queen and Zantestsuken, I suppose some new issues could come up as a result of that.

[EdwinLi]

It's also the case in Final Fantasy Tactics.

Ramza survives the events of the game, though his demise is faked and it isn't until much later in Ivalice's history that the truth surrounding his actions is revealed to the world. I think it'd be pretty disappointing if Gabranth was indeed killed off screen but I'm reluctant to take that at face value just yet. We've already had the Return to Ivalice story carry over into Save the Queen so there's already a precedent for the story to be picked up again in the upcoming expansion. There's still arguably a lot of FFXIV's version of Ivalice to tap into, after all.

If Gabranth was just going to be killed off, there was ample opportunity to do it during the confrontation aboard the Dalriada. His counterpart in FFXII is also one of the more popular and memorable characters in the story, being a key player in the defeat of Vayne and Venat. I'd be very surprised if nothing was done with him, given FFXIV's history of fanservice.

Ultimately, it's likely written to be open ended to account for Matsuno being a guest writer. If he's invited to continue serving in such a capacity in the future, the plot point can be picked up again. If not, it leaves things open to speculation as to what truly went down.

SPOILER for Save the Queen ending!!!!! You are WARNED!

Gabranth and Lyon are not killed off in the end as they are kept alive with a huge cliffhanger for the story to be continued in next expansion or a future expansion so the FFT/FFXII story of FF14 will continue. The choices made in this does affect certain aspect of the ending though as a certain person will live or die in the ending based on your choices.


Though I don't know where will SE take the storyline after Save the Queen if they continue it in 6.X era. The only hints we have is that Gabranth is collecting a certain set of weapons from the Allagan Ruins and it seems his main goal was always to obtain these weapons above everything else.

Regarding the Zadnor ending...

In hindsight, it does seem rather possible Gabranth's "death" was staged but even if it was, with the IVth legion basically dissolved and a terminal illness catching up with him it seems unlikely he'll be able accomplish much of anything...though if those allagan relics he discovered are of them same sort as Save the Queen and Zantestsuken, I suppose some new issues could come up as a result of that.

I honestly don't see him being killed off screen since as of now SE developers are basically creating a entire separate storyline for FF14 that is almost on the scale of the MSQ with the FFT/FFXII storyline covering multiple expansions. What we see in the ending is a very big hint SE may have a long term goal for the FFT/FFXII storyline

[Brightamethyst]

The establishment of a new alliance:

That table and room seem to grow each time they have a meeting, or does the palace just have many rooms filled with tables of convenient sizes? Also, it kind of bothered me that all the non-Beast Tribe people were sitting, and none of the Beast Tribe representatives had a place to sit, even on some pillows, but I guess there were animation reasons.

That bothered me too.

I know it's a matter of not having chair sitting animation for them, but there could have at least been some cushions. Some of those tribes definitely have ground sitting animations.

At the very least everyone else in the room should have stood up too. It felt super weird watching the nation leaders sitting around making "we need to work together as one" speeches to the beast tribes who literally weren't even offered a seat at the table.

[KizuyaKatogami]

That bothered me too.

I know it's a matter of not having chair sitting animation for them, but there could have at least been some cushions. Some of those tribes definitely have ground sitting animations.

At the very least everyone else in the room should have stood up too. It felt super weird watching the nation leaders sitting around making "we need to work together as one" speeches to the beast tribes who literally weren't even offered a seat at the table.

ten characters

It’s almost like they were only brought together because of an apocalyptic situation and things will most likely revert once it’s over. They gave us a glimpse of this on the First. The way they somehow all came together just feels rushed and unbelievable so i don’t expect it to last tbh.

[Crushnight]

MSQ

Well Forchenault certainly put on a performance though I have to wonder for who and for what purpose, G'raha saw through it rather easily, perhaps the Forum has decided a course of action Forchenault doesn't actually agree with but is forced to go along with and wants to have help in overturning said decision.

As for his announcement of the twins no longer bearing the name of Levialler, a manipulative ploy, I am sure he is aware how rash Alisae can be and that Alphinaud would go after his sister, I think this was just a way for him to trick them to come home but this was cruel and I hope we get to call him out on it if he does actually care about his children.

Flandaniel and Zenos are pondering about a dreamer, is the dreamer Zenos or does it involve Lakshmi since her tempered are known as dreamers.

As for their goal seems like Zenos wants to use the lifestream to power himself up more and gorge himself on Zodiark all for that big dramatic pointless fight he craves. Flandaniel certainly making up plans as they go along, but these plans are trying to do 2 things, if they succeed he kills a large quantity of people, if it fails it stalls his enemies from discovering his big plan, either way he gets a benefit out of it.

The roar could be anything at this point, Vrjra, Anima, Lavos, anything it was offscreen and distorted.

Bozja

Diabolos returning was interesting and raises more questions though, did the Allagans actually summon him or just part of his essence, because he got fully summoned by High Voidmage Cessair to coerce Amdapoor into surrender and then promptly sealed, yet this happened while he was also fused to Allagan tech at the same time.

So was the Diabolos we face in Mhach still not at 100% full strength even after absorbing the queen, certainly adds more fuel to Diabolos can return again fire.

Gabranth being killed offscreen feels more like a writing trick for a way to be able to leave the story as is if they don't touch it again than an actual finale to his story. I suspect if they want to they can easily pick up the story again where it left off and it is more a matter of if they want to.

Yorha

Well that ended weirdly the fact both dwarfs were red haired and acted the way they do I should've gotten the Devola and Popola vibes much sooner, perhaps these two are the original ones that the android ones get based off of.

I will say this went out with a whimper

[Brightamethyst]

The weirdest part about Yorha was that not only did every single server apparently side with the same character, but the percentages were all nearly identical. As I was watching the text scroll I couldn't help but wonder if the numbers were even real. Like, are those some made up stats just to mess with us? I wouldn't be surprised given the Yoko Taro level BS the rest of it was.

[Rosenstrauch]

I can buy the lopsided turnout—the Valentione's event where they did the same thing was similarly lopsided in the Red choice's favor. But I have to wonder if they actually implemented a separate series of events for the Konogg route, and to what extent that could've even changed things. I mean, it's not like they could've had two different versions of the Puppet's Bunker, right?