So, new hair coming out... Just...

[Kolsykol]

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.


Tone response

It's not really nitpicking, the reason why people keep arguing about it is because the OP refuses to back down from something that people think is pretty obvious.
I think that if you showed the comments about it being racism to pretty much anyone they'd have a very negative reaction to it and think that it's a crazy accusation.

No one is saying that you can't criticize the devs either, in this very thread there are people criticizing both the OP for throwing the term '' racism '' around so wildly AND criticizing the devs for the hairstyle situation.
I am pretty sure that if you went up to Yoshida and accused him of being racist he'd have a negative reaction to it too and take it personally.
Because it is a personal attack and accusation.

That's not tone policing either, no one is criticizing the OP for being emotional people are criticizing the OP for that term being used.
If the OP had just not used that but been upset it wouldn't be a problem.

Posting a fancy screenshot you found with a nice buzzword is also a convenient way to not have to adress peoples actual problems and criticism.

Edit: Maybe some people are criticizing the OP for being emotional, but not the person you accused of tone policing.

And when male Viera and female Hrothgar are out and they still haven't done anything the threads are going to keep coming.

So you'll just have to deal with the pointless whining.

Have they even said that the Male Viera hair won't be usable on Female Viera?
I mean Male Viera had very similar looking hair in the trailer it wouldn't even surprise me if they end up sharing hair and that's how they add more.

A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

This is some real facts and logics right here, you're a real internet debater.
Respect.

[Yandere-chan]

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.


Tone response

It's not really nitpicking, the reason why people keep arguing about it is because the OP refuses to back down from something that people think is pretty obvious.
I think that if you showed the comments about it being racism to pretty much anyone they'd have a very negative reaction to it and think that it's a crazy accusation.

No one is saying that you can't criticize the devs either, in this very thread there are people criticizing both the OP for throwing the term '' racism '' around so wildly AND criticizing the devs for the hairstyle situation.
I am pretty sure that if you went up to Yoshida and accused him of being racist he'd have a negative reaction to it too and take it personally.
Because it is a personal attack and accusation.

That's not tone policing either, no one is criticizing the OP for being emotional people are criticizing the OP for that term being used.
If the OP had just not used that but been upset it wouldn't be a problem.

Have they even said that the Male Viera hair won't be usable on Female Viera?
I mean Male Viera had very similar looking hair in the trailer it wouldn't even surprise me if they end up sharing hair and that's how they add more.

A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

This is some real facts and logics right here, you're a real internet debater.
Respect.

You're right, it isn't nitpicking quite as much as it's bad faith clout fishing (if not veiled attempts to derail) and/or oversensitivity to the accurate usage of language. It is content exclusion specifically for an in-game race, thus it is racist content exclusion. Trying to twist that into me saying they are racist in general is malicious and a deliberate misreading of the context of what I said. I will not pretend it is something it isn't just because you think the term should only ever be used in reference to the real world races of actual people. Language is contextual, and so you must read it in regard to its contextual use, not clutch your pearls and ignore the context because you want to be self righteous or what not.

Theorizing that female Viera will get a bunch of male hairs isn't some sort of solution to what we are generally complaining about which is a lack of communication for almost two years now. And, really, what most of us want, and rightfully so, is Viera versions of all item add-on hair to be made and there have been numerous posts explaining why that is more than reasonable to be done. But, I digress as the matter of male Viera hair being added to female Viera or not is really besides the point to begin with as explained.

Amnmaat didn't say he can guarantee anything. That is a blatant misreading of what he said and thus a strawman. He said he can give an "almost guarantee," which expresses nothing but strong belief. That you think this is "real facts and logics" or the words of a "real internet debater" is really just adding evidence of you finding appeal in faulty argumentation and bad faith social engagement. When you actually correctly read what he said, he made no claims of guarantees, but instead expressed strong belief that there would be hairs added by 6.1. In which, that's nothing really to criticize. I personally do not share in his belief given how these last 2 years were like in regard to the matter, but I also understand some people like to be rather optimistic. Regardless, I find the aggression and ill tactics aimed at him to be in poor taste and even poorer ethics.

[Vallaresi]

A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!

They should really put out a new statement regarding female Viera hair. Hrothgar is a separate race with a design choice where the hair is selected along with the face.
If it's any consolation, once male Viera comes out they will never treat female Viera and male Hrothgar as one race. Once this happens they can start letting the Viera race (male and female) get old hairstyles from mogstation, seasonal events, and possibly even level 1 hats and artifact hats/helmets.
It's not easy waiting until Endwalker but they will fix the hair situation, that's a guarantee.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.

Amnmaat didn't say he can guarantee anything. That is a blatant misreading of what he said and thus a strawman. He said he can give an "almost guarantee," which expresses nothing but strong belief. That you think this is "real facts and logics" or the words of a "real internet debater" is really just adding evidence of you finding appeal in faulty argumentation and bad faith social engagement. When you actually correctly read what he said, he made no claims of guarantees, but instead expressed strong belief that there would be hairs added by 6.1. In which, that's nothing really to criticize. I personally do not share in his belief given how these last 2 years were like in regard to the matter, but I also understand some people like to be rather optimistic. Regardless, I find the aggression and ill tactics aimed at him to be in poor taste and even poorer ethics.

Oh sweetie... I even grabbed his previous comments for your reading pleasure and, also, according to the dictionary:

- To guarantee is to promise with certainty and
- A belief is an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

So we get two different concepts here; better pick one that better suits your rationale right? I'm not discussing semantics with you any further.

If someone is coming here to guarantee whatever, better be prepared to back up the claim as a normal person does.

[Yandere-chan]

Oh sweetie... I even grabbed his previous comments for your reading pleasure and, also, according to the dictionary:

- To guarantee is to promise with certainty and
- A belief is an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

So we get two different concepts here; better pick one that better suits your rationale right? I'm not discussing semantics with you any further.

If someone is coming here to guarantee whatever, better be prepared to back up the claim as a normal person does.

The first post of his isn't the one you quoted in your reply to him. The second one was, which is his latest post on the matter, in which he clarifies it's an "almost guarantee." You can't in good faith exclude the modifier of a word to single out that word to make your point as that is misrepresenting what the person says. It's literally deception and misrepresentation. It's not even a question of semantics. That's like going to someone who says, "I hardly miss him," removing the hardly modifier, and acting if the person said they missed him. It completely changes what the person conveyed. Just like here, an almost guarantee means he can't quite guarantee it, but it's so likely in his belief that he can almost guarantee it. The word almost is not some meaningless word that you can just toss out because it's convientant for you to do so to respond harshly to him. If you are posting in good faith, I'm sure you can understand that.