So, new hair coming out... Just...

[Amnmaat]

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.

You really shouldn't have said that, especially if you want to be taken seriously. You are not off to a good start. I stopped reading there. If this is the extreme you are willing to go to right out of the gate, you probably won't listen to reason.

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[Iscah]

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Meanwhile, jumping straight to calling SE "greedy and racist" surely counts as ad hominem, if not straight to name-calling.

(And the immediate debate here is whether that's appropriate, so yes I think I'm addressing the point.)

Those things aren't mutually exclusive. It is racist because it's race specific exclusion.

It's not "racist" because it is not withholding something from you based on your real-world race. It is failing to deliver customisation choices for your virtual bunny girl, and equating that to racism does your argument (and the real issue) a disservice.

[Yandere-chan]

Meanwhile, jumping straight to calling SE "greedy and racist" surely counts as ad hominem, if not straight to name-calling.

(And the immediate debate here is whether that's appropriate, so yes I think I'm addressing the point.)





It's not "racist" because it is not withholding something from you based on your real-world race. It is failing to deliver customisation choices for your virtual bunny girl, and equating that to racism does your argument (and the real issue) a disservice.

It's an accusation based on the continual exclusion of content to a specific race in the game from a corporation. A corporation is not an individual. A corporation is a collection of people purposed to make a buck. I believe from the amount of time that has transpired, that the only likely reason it has not been accomplished is connected to reasons of profit pursuit. If they did put the money and time into it, it could have been accomplished by now multiple times over.

Um, there is no stipulation that racism can only apply to real people. That, apparently, is your personal stipulation. This is literally a matter of race as that is what Viera are, a race. They are defined as such in the game. Is it as significant as racism towards actual real people? Of course not, no one argued or even suggested otherwise. But, it doesn't change that it is race based exclusion. More on topic though, it's a matter of excluding content repeatably since Shadowbringer's release almost 2 years ago for the Viera race, and by proxy, the players who play as them.

Making up your own rules and definitions for words for some unknown reason and then getting upset that I don't happen to adhere to those rules and personalized definitions is what's a disservice to the topic. It comes off as you trying to derail a serious ongoing matter. Seeing as how you are also trying to defend Square in general here, it seems logical that you are purposely trying to derail the thread to get it locked or something to shield Square. Please refrain from doing that.

If you seriously want to talk about if it's appropriate to call race specific exclusion for in-game races racist or not, make a separate thread for that, as that is not the purpose of this thread and you are thus off-topic here and derailing this thread which I do believe is actually against the forum rules. What I am doing, however, is not. Thanks.

[Zysets]

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.

This, the point is the hairs, the lack of communication on this issue, like SURE it's "cosmetic" but it's been a long term issue now, it's not "oh Viera just came out give them time they'll get stuff!", it's been long enough and there's nothing to be had, it's the same for Hrothgar. I'm a raider, my enjoyment of the game is content, I love doing all the gameplay things, side things like BLU, but "cosmetics" are still a core aspect of the game for myself and plenty of others, and when people are left in the dark on something like this for this long I would think people would understand when some start getting frustrated and kind of focus on the point of the issue.

[Vallaresi]

I agree with the OP; nitpicking on words is a very convenient way to not discuss the topic.
Square enix is a multi billion dollar organization; they get paid to have community managers who will/might pass topics of discussion to them.

The FFXIV team is one that went through FFXIV 1.0 and the lead up to 2.0, they know criticism of the game is never personal and is always done out of love for the game. It's not when people are passionate/mean that you should worry, it's when they stop that you should. I've seen plenty of promising mmorpgs where the playerbase criticized the devs out of love, but now you go to their forums, social media, or discord and it's a desert. They couldn't pay anyone to give feedback about the game if they wanted to.

As for the topic at hand; I'll repeat, they will fix the hair situation sometime in Endwalker. I can't say it'll be 6.0 when Endwalker comes out, but I can almost guarantee that it'll be by 6.1. As much as they love everything to be a marketing surprise for Live Letters, etc, this issue with the hairstyles for female Viera really stings for them.

I understand pre-Shadowbringers hairstyles, but patch 5.5 is adding a new hairstyle and they can't use it, ouch.


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A guarantee?!!! Where did you get that information from?

There's absolutely no official standpoint on this matter.

You do not have any references to back up your claim because - guess what - you just made them on your mind!