So, new hair coming out... Just...

[tehneyrzomb]

Yep. It's a long standing mega thread, with a whole lot of positive amongst the tantrums, which are just as disgusting as the OPs. I really hope more hair is made compatible, and that more hats are added, and that even old stuff is retooled to fit. But really, abusing the developers isn't the way to do this, and should never be seen as the way to do it. This thread, the bunny boy thread, the height slider thread, ANY thread. That rudeness and hostility is not seen as a positive by the Japanese, and needs to be called out, so it's toned down.

Yandere, whilst living up to the negative side of the personality her name describes, isn't doing anyone a favour starting a hair thread with outright abuse.

I completely agree here. We have a right to be angry and upset, no one is taking that away from anyone. But things that are approached in a calm manner are more readily given attention than things approached in anger. We can complain and whine all we want in the forums, it is the best place to do it. But word choice is important. We can have civil, friendly conversations while being upset. Those conversations are always the ones that go further than ones spoken with anger and vitriol.

I'm upset too. I want to use the hairstyle on my Viera. I want to use hats on my Viera. I've spent a lot of time in previous expansions grinding hairstyles and hats so I can customize my character. I really want this to be addressed. But I do think there is a right way to approach things and the way this thread was started really isn't it.

[Anvaire]

Because Square is greedy and racist against Viera, they won't be getting a variant. Like, seriously. Enough is enough. It's dumb that they literally exclude hair variants for an entire race in the game due to greed. It should be a standard to make variants for Viera for every added hair.

There has been more than ample time to accomplish that. Now, they are going to add Viera boys just to increase the number of people they will racially exclude new customization options to in the name of greed. And yeah, they have every right to exclude races of customization additions, just as we have every right to complain and incentivize them to choose to stop excluding races.

It should be unacceptable at this point. This is not a status quo we should tolerate any longer. We have clearly waited long enough. Square is screwing us over because they refuse to give FFXIV its proper budget to meet what should be a minimum. Clearly, they aren't going to change anything on their own w/o us making a fit over it. After this long, that can not be denied.

Is this confirmed? or are you just assuming? I see a lot of posts that are a tad... premature.

I think given that they chose to develop male viera, it is likely the additional customisation option and potential hat fxes were delayed. They have said they will add more, and usually they do so. Its been a trying year so im not surprised things like this happen. But i dont think getting angry calling them greedy and metaphrically stamping your feet will actually help the situation.

You say you have waited long enough, but you dont know what they have planned for the expansion launch. I would be severely surprised if they did not add things then.

I do think its time you faced facts though, as was stated in the SHB fanfests not all hair additions would be available to Female Viera or Male Hrothgar. (I assume because of Hrothgar because for them to add hair, means they have to create an entirely new face.) SO until they fix the customisation for Hrothga... or release its female counterpart, i really doubt the situation is going to change much.

Once both races are complete, the limitation on viera will probably lift slightly.

If they were to just add to viera, there would be issue from Hrothgar fans. Essentially this boils down to a severe mistep from the dev team when they created the Hrothgar. I.e They thought people would be more sold by the customisable fur and skin pattern than the hair. Unless they can decouple the hair from the faces (and Aura Horns please) I dont think the issue will fully be resolved. The devs are aware of this, and the male viera situation proves that they listen. But they only have so much they can do, so i think being patient and courteously asking on a single thread is the better approach rather than creating a new thread about the issue each time a new hair or headpiece is added that Viera or Hrothgar cant wear. I do understand why people are annoyed, I just think a different approach is needed.

The bottom line is its not an easy thing to add hair, the devs work incredibly hard in creating the game and if they do come and view the forum i would be mortified for them to find vitriol and accusations sent to them. We can do better than that.

[Senn]

Yes, other comments I'm sure you've seen as well, the thread itself is fine of course.

Yeah, I made that thread when female viera and male hrothgar were first announced. Like, pretty much immediately after that announcement as the stream was happening if I'm remembering correctly. So a lot of people, still fresh off the stream, were upset. Some people were complaining about how it was sexist or whatever - which I never agreed with. After a while, I think the comments upset about the perceived sexism and etc died down.

I think being vocal helps, but another thing that helps a lot are likes. If you have a request, I think this is the best way to go about it:

-Thread title must be clear about what you want.
-Make it clear what you are requesting in the beginning of your OP. The fluff can come afterwards.
-Stick with one thread. If there's already an existing thread with the above criteria, use that one and keep it alive posting relevant/on-topic posts.
-Leave a like.

Player feedback is most likely compiled and then sent to someone on the ffxiv team. They don't read every single post because there's way too many. What's easiest for them to see are the number of likes.

[Yencat]

Yeah, I made that thread when female viera and male hrothgar were first announced. Like, pretty much immediately after that announcement as the stream was happening if I'm remembering correctly. So a lot of people, still fresh off the stream, were upset. Some people were complaining about how it was sexist or whatever - which I never agreed with. After a while, I think the comments upset about the perceived sexism and etc died down.

I think being vocal helps, but another thing that helps a lot are likes. If you have a request, I think this is the best way to go about it:

-Thread title must be clear about what you want.
-Make it clear what you are requesting in the beginning of your OP. The fluff can come afterwards.
-Stick with one thread. If there's already an existing thread with the above criteria, use that one and keep it alive posting relevant/on-topic posts.
-Leave a like.

Player feedback is most likely compiled and then sent to someone on the ffxiv team. They don't read every single post because there's way too many. What's easiest for them to see are the number of likes.

The vitriol and immediate upset about male viera died down because there was 0% chance they were going to add them in a patch during Shadowbringers, you were always going to have to wait for an expansion to see any news on it.

We're not requesting something to be added that wasn't originally planned, we were told before launch they were going to be doing this and then patch after patch hairstyles come out we can't use so the tensions flare up again and spill out of the mega thread into the rest of the forums.

I'm pretty much always active in the mega thread and would encourage everyone in support to post there instead, but if OP feels she wants to make another thread she's free to do so because it is frustrating.

[Yandere-chan]

But things that are approached in a calm manner are more readily given attention than things approached in anger. We can complain and whine all we want in the forums, it is the best place to do it. But word choice is important. We can have civil, friendly conversations while being upset. Those conversations are always the ones that go further than ones spoken with anger and vitriol.

The truth is not always pleasant. What I said was neither filled with anger and vitriol, or meant to be affable and placating, as I believe sugar coating the truth to be ineffective and pointlessly clouding the situation for the benefit of those who are at fault. What I said is very reasonable as it is a continual ongoing issue specific to a race in the game (arguably two if one considers Hrothgar as well which is fair, although their situation is arguably unique in its own ways), and greed being an accused motivation is perfectly in line with an entity whose purpose is to garner profit from consumers. Let's be clear. Square is not a person, it is a corporate entity. Greed is the most reasonable and likely explanation for why this matter is not resolved almost two years later. It's not some emotionally charged wild accusation made in anger. This idea that corporations are your friends with your best interest in mind is nonsense. They come into existence for the purpose of making more money. I will never understand the culture of corporation worship that seems to creep into some's views. But, it's really besides the point of the thread.

There have been countless threads about this issue. Some angry. Some rather polite. This is why the concept of time as a factor is extremely pertinent with this matter. Regardless of which you think is more effective, it's so far beyond that being something to even address in regard of relevance to the topic at hand. We are far past the point of that being a reasonable explanation for why it isn't addressed. It's been done every which way already. Now is the time for due criticism and a very reasonable demand for the matter to actually be addressed. Time has made the matter worse, not better, not more acceptable. This has shifted from an issue of not meeting initial expectations into one of continuous neglect and avoidance and several layers of expectations being tarnished by a corporation. It was not even given a hint of awareness in fanfest. Yet another hair that this is being applied to is a rather perfect point, at this point in time, to make another thread about the matter.

By all means, talk about it in the megathread too, but this deserves its own thread just as well. And, I think how I addressed the matter is more than appropriate given the context of the matter in regard to how much time has passed since it was first brought up almost 2 years ago with very little communication in response to it from Square or its associates.

[strawberrycake]

They worked on Male Viera and had to put hairs and Hats on the back burner because of it, can't have your Cake and eat it to.

[Zysets]

They worked on Male Viera and had to put hairs and Hats on the back burner because of it, can't have your Cake and eat it to.

I feel like this is kind of a "meh" reply because I don't think people who wanted male Viera and people who wanted Hairs and Hats for the existing Viera are somehow the exact same group, no one is having cake and eating it too unless they actively campaigned for both. Not that those people don't exist but I mean, it's kind of unreasonable.

[Yandere-chan]

They worked on Male Viera and had to put hairs and Hats on the back burner because of it, can't have your Cake and eat it to.

For a two year window? Doubtful. Even if it was an issue of their main relevant staff being too busy with that, something as simple as porting over hairs or hats to a slightly different shaped head or making little ear hole variants for hats could easily be outsourced. They clearly just didn't think it was worth the money and effort to do so.

[Senn]

The vitriol and immediate upset about male viera died down because there was 0% chance they were going to add them in a patch during Shadowbringers, you were always going to have to wait for an expansion to see any news on it.

We're not requesting something to be added that wasn't originally planned, we were told before launch they were going to be doing this and then patch after patch hairstyles come out we can't use so the tensions flare up again and spill out of the mega thread into the rest of the forums.

I'm pretty much always active in the mega thread and would encourage everyone in support to post there instead, but if OP feels she wants to make another thread she's free to do so because it is frustrating.

It died partly because of that, but also partly because many other people pointed out how it made no sense to call the devs sexist. A lot of people called those kinds of comments out.

Anyway, I don't doubt there will be more hair options. I don't really know what the ffxiv team's work flow is like, but I suspect it's more efficient to work on hair and head gear after the character models are complete. Since the devs decided they were going to add male viera, it makes sense then that they would hold off on the hair and head gear. Perhaps it's just easier to have the male and female models done so they can work on hair/head gear in tandem.

The hair and head gear is coming. Just slowly. The graphics team worked extremely hard to live up to player requests and expectations. Working on female hrothgar and male viera is like adding another race - they may be the opposite gender, but it's pretty much the equivalent of a new race. It's a lot of dedication and hard work.

They aren't ignoring the hair and head gear. It's just a matter of work flow.

[Nanchi]

Can I ask what you want to personally achieve with this thread? I assume for the thread to be seen by the dev team, to be taken serious and to have the matter resolved sometimes soon? Or is it just to voice your dissatisfaction? Genuinely curious, because depending on the answer I really think adding to the megathread and keeping that one alive and going is the best method instead of having a super vague title and a very accusingly toned first post about the issue.