Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Puremallace]

Game's community is not healthy. 14 is by far the most passive aggressive, boiling under the surface mmo community I've ever been apart of.

lol you would not have survived Aion Online. There is stuff we posted in those forums that prevents me from ever running for public office on how raw it was there. People who come here from WoW are used to parsers and barely understand how they contribute to heavily toxic environment.

No serious raider in FF14 wants casuals spamming the forums all day threatening to quit because their dps is trash and they want their job buffed.

[Penthea]

Deflection is not a winning strategy. Furthermore, go ahead make burying the animosity and resentment between to vastly different groups the norm as if it healthy. Also if I am being honest, I much prefer straight forward toxicity to passive aggressive toxicity. At least the straight forward kind isn't lying about what it is.

Lol as if an in-game parser would cure any rift between the elitists and the casuals. That rift exists in every online game that requires groups for content. It even exists in table top rpgs. Nothing can cure that rift. Different people are going to be different people. If you can't tolerate different people then play with like-minded people. It's that simple.

And really all you're saying is you'd prefer to be able to say what you think instead of having to be careful with your words.

[Awha]

Deflection is not a winning strategy. Furthermore, go ahead make burying the animosity and resentment between to vastly different groups the norm as if it healthy. Also if I am being honest, I much prefer straight forward toxicity to passive aggressive toxicity. At least the straight forward kind isn't lying about what it is.

Aye at the very least you know where you stand with forward toxicity.

This desire to want to protect people from hurt feelings baffles me. Be careful how you word something do not want to run the risk of alienating or offending someone.

Hell sort of off topic but IRL we have gotten shit from HR because we made jokes about vegans, and I am a vegan but others found it offensive so cannot have that. I am not saying people should not find something offensive, but whatever happened to just excusing yourself or personally not letting it bother you.

It just sounds like people are afraid of having an open stance on parsing because humans are dicks. Well yeah we are dicks that will not change no matter how hard we try so is it not better to have people build up a tolerance towards humans being dicks instead of trying to sweep it under the rug.

[TaleraRistain]

Hell sort of off topic but IRL we have gotten shit from HR because we made jokes about vegans, and I am a vegan but others found it offensive so cannot have that. I am not saying people should not find something offensive, but whatever happened to just excusing yourself or personally not letting it bother you.

I understand why you think you shouldn't get in trouble with HR for that, since you've mentioned in other threads you have anti-social personality disorder, but when you make jokes at others' expense at work you're creating a toxic work environment. They don't have to "not let it bother them", you need to not create that environment. It could also become a liability for the company if they don't do something about it.

[Awha]

lol you would not have survived Aion Online. There is stuff we posted in those forums that prevents me from ever running for public office on how raw it was there. People who come here from WoW are used to parsers and barely understand how they contribute to heavily toxic environment.

No serious raider in FF14 wants casuals spamming the forums all day threatening to quit because their dps is trash and they want their job buffed.

That is the thing with the class dynamic in FFXIV and how encounters are designed having a weaker class per-se is not the end of the world if they maintain balance within their sub role especially with the removal of many of the specific class synergy.

Sure in Aion and other balance related class especially in games where someone cannot play every class on the same character and roughly no shared gear sets amongst sub groups it does create an environment that leads to much complaining about class balance.

Though I still say given the dynamic and game philosophy the devs have with class and encounter design it would not create some toxic black hole parsing has in other games. Sure it might foster an increased element of exclusion but I do not think it would be at the levels of other games.

I understand why you think you shouldn't get in trouble with HR for that, since you've mentioned in other threads you have anti-social personality disorder, but when you make jokes at others' expense at work you're creating a toxic work environment. They don't have to "not let it bother them", you need to not create that environment. It could also become a liability for the company if they don't do something about it.

I get that it largely a CYA thing with HR but that is my point people in power to do not make these choices as a means of protecting the individual or care about their workers. They only do it to cover their own bottom line.

To be personally doing a good for the wrong reason is worse then doing nothing at all. They do not care about the persons feelings they only care about how it makes the company feel.

I grew up being on the blunt end of every joke. I have dealt with vegan jokes, asd jokes, mixed race jokes, etc . . . Even in adulthood I still am on the receiving end of many jokes due to how I think and dress ( I straight up have multiplies of the same attire cause I rather not have to think about what I am going to wear. So same sets of suits ties etc. . . Yet idk I see no sense in getting offended or hurt by the words and actions of others. Sure a line has to be draw but that is my point people have that line placed so close to them which throws me for a loop cause many things people say today that people find offensive can easily be ignored if people so choose to. Though that is the problem people do not feel they should have to ignore it, that the behavior should not happen in the first place.

Though I think that goes against human nature as I said before humans are assholes, we will always have our bias and be riddled with judgements that influence our actions trying to fight this seems like a fruitless effort when I do think we would all be better off if we just accepted people are going to be assholes and some people may simply just not like another for many reasons some are good others not so much.

Though we cannot change that but what we can change is how we let such things effect us personally. Though I get many will say I am placing the burden of change on the victim. In short what I am trying to say humans are dicks so why try and fight it maybe we should embrace it and teach people how to protect themselves and not be bothered by hurtful speech. If someone tells you to kys because of how you play. The first response someone should have is not to cry and whine about it personally. The first thing to one should do is see why someone may say such a thing. Maybe you were playing poorly or something. If so if such comments bother you then try to improve to minimize the chance it happens again. If one has no desire to improve then being told hurtful things due to how you play should not have an impact cause end of none of it really matters.

General you. Though yeah I have my write ups for creating a toxic work environment for my team. Though honestly all the chases are rather tame. Not inviting someone out for sushi after work cause I personally could not stand them. Making jokes at the expense of myself yet others were offended. I once made an ASD joke due to me having one of my hyper focus moments next day was called in by HR. Overall what I am saying people should worry less about what others are saying and focus more on what they can do personally to not let it get to them.

Sorry rambled.

[Wavaryen]

Game's community is not healthy. 14 is by far the most passive aggressive, boiling under the surface mmo community I've ever been apart of.

I'm ok with that, it is because the player base must show respect even if they don't want to do it. So the words come off like that.


As I got older, I learn that not everything is a competition. I love to compete, and love to win. Thanks to mmorpgs like wow in the old days. It became a huge part of mmorpgs. Players use to put spys into guilds and use smaller guilds as stepping stones for raiding. We seen first hand over the years what these tools turn people into.



I'm under no illusion like some people who say this community is mean, nice, or whatever. On this forum alone, I've seen some really nasty stuff. I've also dealth with a stalker issue with my wife and as my wife puts it. Any place that has a flock of women playing drama will follow.More so with how men act around them. What makes this community great is that how you play be it good or bad, a good chunk of players are willing to work with you and be understanding. For example, I saw someone in my group kept dying to something in our fight. The tank asked what was wrong? The person said they was having trouble seeing it. So the group changed up how we did said fight and able to clear it. In wow, they would have been vote kicked or yelled at for wasting our time. In my years of playing mmo, I've seen more kindness. Yes sometimes fake kindness...but I've seen more good than bad because of rules the developers set about these tools and talking to other players.


Part of me misses when I had that edge and was a jerk for people to waste my time...but that part of me did not have as much fun. The point I'm trying to make is. We seen first hand at how bad a community can get with these tools. A dungeon taking longer and players playing how they want is a small price to pay to prevent this game queue systems ending up like that.

[Wavaryen]

That is the thing with the class dynamic in FFXIV and how encounters are designed having a weaker class per-se is not the end of the world if they maintain balance within their sub role especially with the removal of many of the specific class synergy.

Sure in Aion and other balance related class especially in games where someone cannot play every class on the same character and roughly no shared gear sets amongst sub groups it does create an environment that leads to much complaining about class balance.

Though I still say given the dynamic and game philosophy the devs have with class and encounter design it would not create some toxic black hole parsing has in other games. Sure it might foster an increased element of exclusion but I do not think it would be at the levels of other games.

Do you really think the community will look at how a game is design in that way? Will give you an example. Classic wow is pretty darn easy, players have gotten so much better and fight designs are basic. Yet, for the longest time Paladin players was laughed at, shunned from groups and guilds.


What I found is that once the tools become openly used, and able to be talked about among the players. It always be weaponize for asking for buffs, nerfs, and makes the end game community even more competitive. How do we know? It goes on right now in discord, and outside the game. The player base does not want that leaked into queue systems and non end game content.

[Awha]

Do you really think the community will look at how a game is design in that way? Will give you an example. Classic wow is pretty darn easy, players have gotten so much better and fight designs are basic. Yet, for the longest time Paladin players was laughed at, shunned from groups and guilds.


What I found is that once the tools become openly used, and able to be talked about among the players. It always be weaponize for asking for buffs, nerfs, and makes the end game community even more competitive. How do we know? It goes on right now in discord, and outside the game. The player base does not want that leaked into queue systems and non end game content.

That is the thing classic WoW and WoW in general are min/maxed to hell. Sure the content is easy but why take a subpar class. That is part of the meme of pld just create your own guild. Though that is the structure of the game. FFXIV does not have the same structure mainly due to class play and interact with the encounters. At the core each class has a roughly similar game play loop compared to others within the role minus a few synergies but they are not so game defining like how it was with the Drg and the piercing debuff. FFXIV class system really does not lend itself to having a strict meta like other games. So sure even with the data driven community it would probably be more about pushing for a certain damage threshold expectation for given job and ilvl. Instead of pushing for certain jobs or comps like in other games.

In short the content in class wow was easy but let us be real why bring a meme class even for easy content.

[Caurcas]

Do you really think the community will look at how a game is design in that way? Will give you an example. Classic wow is pretty darn easy, players have gotten so much better and fight designs are basic. Yet, for the longest time Paladin players was laughed at, shunned from groups and guilds.


What I found is that once the tools become openly used, and able to be talked about among the players. It always be weaponize for asking for buffs, nerfs, and makes the end game community even more competitive. How do we know? It goes on right now in discord, and outside the game. The player base does not want that leaked into queue systems and non end game content.

How is that any different from what we have now? Bard is a meme, and everyone knows it. Everyone knows SE doesn't know what to do with Dark Knight or Monk either. We already know, we just want it to be transparent not just hints and coded words.

[ForteNightshade]

zero chance of that anyway your not getting your toxic elitist bullshit in ff 14 if you want your beloved parsers world of shitcraft is that way i hear ion is adding blizzard io so you can truly feel like a special snow flake

alas in a perfect world you would not have to be in a party with me you'd be banned for using a illegal parser
but you know this is simply my opinion i simply believe that people should follow the rules that they agreed to when they signed up for an account and that rule says that the programs you people are using are not permitted by the game yet you keep arguing for it if anyone is toxic its you people and your constant rule breaking

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