Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Kirajah]

I agree there. I was a bit disappointed that a lot of the questions involving the races were more geared towards Viera and not hrothgar, but I can only assume that both are included in the mix. Now, that being said, It is incredibly frustrating that I can't customize my Viera the way I'd want to customize her:



^My beautiful Queen. My patience is practically running on fumes at this point as we are the only two races that pay the same amount of money/month, but get less content. For anyone reading this and has something to say, I will say this:

Customization is considered content. Since we have limited customization options, we by default have access to Less content!

Your Viera is almost a spitting image of mine:

While I loved her, I found a lot of viera looked like this and it bothered me to the point of fantasia.

I'm hoping I won't run into the same problem with male viera, but... only time will tell.

[Yencat]

I'm hoping I won't run into the same problem with male viera, but... only time will tell.

Unless this means Viera is now "complete" and can be moved into a dev rotation where they receive hairstyles that don't conflict with their ears, you'll be stuck with 8-ish hairstyles like the rest of us and will probably run into the same problem.

This already happens for every race and isn't a bigger problem than you make of it yourself, but with only 8 hairstyles it just happens a lot more often.

Ironically the Hrothgar I see around tend to look a lot less same-y despite being in a worse situation, but that might be because they have a pretty broad and vibrant colour palette to work with.

[Iscah]

Oh...I dont play Au ra...didnt know that was a thing o 3o

SMH: they can change the outer ring color of their *EYES*, but I can't change to my one other hair....nothing but despair awaits me now T_T

It's because of the way the character creator works. All characters have the same template of data but the newer races use some things in strange ways that have an effect on the logic of what can be changed in-game.

This is just from observation, but I think that the aesthetician menu is set up to allow editing of specific template slots, and those settings are consistent across all races even though the template slots are used differently.

Most races have unique tattoos that can be edited, but Au Ra use the same piece of data to set their limbal rings. So because that is controlled by a setting that is allowed to be edited at the aestetician, they can edit it.

Hrothgar hairstyles are controlled by the face setting. The face setting cannot be edited, therefore hairstyles cannot be switched. The game does not differentiate them as "different hairstyles for the same face" but two separate faces which happen to be identical.

[Renik]

It's because of the way the character creator works. All characters have the same template of data but the newer races use some things in strange ways that have an effect on the logic of what can be changed in-game.

This is just from observation, but I think that the aesthetician menu is set up to allow editing of specific template slots, and those settings are consistent across all races even though the template slots are used differently.

Most races have unique tattoos that can be edited, but Au Ra use the same piece of data to set their limbal rings. So because that is controlled by a setting that is allowed to be edited at the aestetician, they can edit it.

Hrothgar hairstyles are controlled by the face setting. The face setting cannot be edited, therefore hairstyles cannot be switched. The game does not differentiate them as "different hairstyles for the same face" but two separate faces which happen to be identical.

This, they probably need to change how the esthetician works to fix the hrothgar situation with the manes, but a small mistake could allow other races to change stuff that can only be changed with a fantasia. Still, I think that allowing them to switch manes doesn't solve the problem, having 2 manes per face seems ridiculous, they should rework the hrtoh creator entirely.

[BunnyChain]

Unless this means Viera is now "complete" and can be moved into a dev rotation where they receive hairstyles that don't conflict with their ears, you'll be stuck with 8-ish hairstyles like the rest of us and will probably run into the same problem.

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...

Hrothgar hairstyles are controlled by the face setting. The face setting cannot be edited, therefore hairstyles cannot be switched. The game does not differentiate them as "different hairstyles for the same face" but two separate faces which happen to be identical.

There is no technical reason for this on their race. They have, just like every other race, 4 head models and separate hair models.
The only reason I can think of is they didn't want to give them a hairstyle option because you'd just have 2 hairs. That would look worse than having "8" face options and a missing hairstyle option is hard to notice... hoping the reviewers wouldn't either?

[Yencat]

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...

I was mostly thinking hairbands and braids that would end up going under the ears, but yeah it's not like they modify the hair to part places where the ears go anyway.

The ears just sitting on the hair like they do doesn't bother me at all, so cut some holes in the Modern Aesthetics hairstyles and stick the ears on. Please and thank you.

[Iscah]

There is no technical reason for this on their race. They have, just like every other race, 4 head models and separate hair models.
The only reason I can think of is they didn't want to give them a hairstyle option because you'd just have 2 hairs. That would look worse than having "8" face options and a missing hairstyle option is hard to notice... hoping the reviewers wouldn't either?

It comes back to the character design template and using it in new and unusual ways.

It seems that the normal hairstyle setting (with linked "colour" and "highlight colour" palettes) got repurposed for the fur patterns, leaving nowhere to put a separate choice for hairstyles so they just melded them into the face slot.

Whether it was the right decision, it's how they got that way and I don't think they can change it now without taking away some other kind of choice (or rebuilding the character creator and everything that uses its data).

Maybe they could have tied hairstyles to set fur patterns instead.

[Iscah]

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...

I hate that so very much. There is exactly one race that will use those hairstyles, you know where their ears connect to their heads; how did any of this get past the design stage? Nearly every hairstyle in their entire range parts sideways between-and-under the ears instead of going around them.

I really hope they approached it better for the male designs.

[Yencat]

I hate that so very much. There is exactly one race that will use those hairstyles, you know where their ears connect to their heads; how did any of this get past the design stage? Nearly every hairstyle in their entire range parts sideways between-and-under the ears instead of going around them.

I really hope they approached it better for the male designs.

It doesn't look great zoomed in like that, but you really don't notice it that much when you play one.

I also don't think some of the hairstyles could be achieved if they had to go around the ear base. The ears are positioned vertically while the pigtails have a middle part that makes the hair go horizontally, with how high up the ears are there's very little room for the hair to give the appearance of going around them without messing up the entire look of pulled down ponytails or anything other than pulled back hair really.

I'd much rather they focus on the output of a larger number of hairstyles than being overly concerned with making sure we only get styles that could accommodate the ears in a realistic way.

EDIT: Male viera have a hairstyle with a similar parting and it looks about the same, with both ears on the same side of the parting even.

[Iscah]

I also don't think some of the hairstyles could be achieved if they had to go around the ear base.

That's exactly my issue. They shouldn't be achievable and therefore they don't make sense. They just need to have more styles that sweep backwards between the ears instead of sideways.

For the male hairstyle you posted above, it's hard to tell but it might shift direction and only the section in front of the ears has the parting line. That would make sense. But there's no need for it to continue sideways between the ears.

I just feel like you could do more things that actually work with the ear position - different ponytails or half-ponytails or fancy braids that run longways between the ears. Or for the style with pigtails, do three sections instead of two. Don't just ignore them and create six different styles with centre part lines that shouldn't be physically possible.