Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Kolsykol]

SSS is notoriously strangely tuned. Its unreliable at best, and useless at worst.

As a MNK main I am aware of that, it's far easier and more convenient on SAM and even NIN on MNK the CD's don't do MNK any favors and it often ends at the lowest point ( not to mention RNG over a short time makes it worse and far less consistent ).
But it still gives you an idea which was my point.

It's pretty okay for knowing if you're doing your rotation correctly.

[Goji1639]

I'd love to have parsers be standard in this game; I used them all the time in WoW and not having them in this game takes away most of the fun of playing a DPS class.

That said, we already know why this game will never allow them. It's because if they were legal none of you wannabe tryhards would be able to keep your mouths shut, and we'll have new players getting harassed and shamed in trivial content until this game ends up with the same reputation as every other online game.

The illusion that this is a "nice" community doesn't stem from the community actually being nice; it's that SE has this stuff on lockdown. They're not going to trust you people with a tool like that, and I can't necessarily say I blame them. It is a shame, though.

[Caurcas]

I'd love to have parsers be standard in this game; I used them all the time in WoW and not having them in this game takes away most of the fun of playing a DPS class.

That said, we already know why this game will never allow them. It's because if they were legal none of you wannabe tryhards would be able to keep your mouths shut, and we'll have new players getting harassed and shamed in trivial content until this game ends up with the same reputation as every other online game.

The illusion that this is a "nice" community doesn't stem from the community actually being nice; it's that SE has this stuff on lockdown. They're not going to trust you people with a tool like that, and I can't necessarily say I blame them. It is a shame, though.

Again, why would introducing a parser change the harrassment policy?

[Goji1639]

Again, why would introducing a parser change the harrassment policy?

It wouldn't; it'd just introduce a nice automated way for everyone to know exactly who they should be harassing in every run. We all know exactly what would happen once everyone has access to hard data at all times.

[Penthea]

But having a parser, or even being given a grade at the end of a duty, would add so much replayability to end game content for me.

For you. I know some casual players who do play well and really don't care much about parses at all. They're not driven by competition, they're driven by having access to a variety of content. As far as their performance goes they only care about not being a burden on everyone else. Past that point they're chill about their performance.

I'm fine with a personal grade at the end of content given to players that only they can see, but I am against everyone being able to easily see how everyone else is doing because I have seen what happens when someone egotistical or meanspirited has access to that. I witnessed a lot of very unnecessary arguments because someone in the group made it their mission to make someone else feel horrible for even the tiniest of mistakes. Yes players can report bad behaviour but prevention is better than cure.

I think a personal grade given when content is complete with details that the player can examine at their own pace afterwards would be enough to satisfy those with a drive to exceed their abilities without giving tryhards some ammo to needlessly try to make someone else feel terrible.

I'm not saying I'm against calling out someone on poor performance, but I am against making it easy for those whose standards are far too high to find something to complain about.

[VelKallor]

I'd love to have parsers be standard in this game; I used them all the time in WoW and not having them in this game takes away most of the fun of playing a DPS class.

If I had the time, i'd list the number of ways "fun" can be redefined. Suffice it to say that the rampant abuse of said "tool" is enough for me to never see one again. What can be used, can be misused, abused, mishandled or become a weapon for petty "people" more interested in forcing their "standards" and ego on others.

Said misuse over the years has turned WOW from a game into a fulltime job, to the point of what I would call at times vindictive, vile, utterly reprehensible behaviour. I lost count of the number of so called "raid leaders" screaming obscene abuse at the top of their lungs at people who didnt meet idiotic "dps standards"..and by obscene abuse I am referring to foaming at the mouth, almost homicidal rage.

i am referring to the kind of behaviour that, in public, would definitely have resulted in an immediate arrest.

FF 14 does not want, does not need, and never will need that kind of toxicity..in this I stand in full agreement with the FF 14 devs on the matter.

I will not, no, actually cannot, detail what I heard and witnessed over eight years in WOW

if you ever wish to doubt my word, you are cordially invited to come see me on Kujata and I will happily recount some of my experiences to you firsthand.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

If you want to get better and really master your class you need data and tools to analyse. And its still kind of ironic that the developers give us challenging content where you need to optimise your rotation but then won't let you look at your numbers. They enjoy world first races and know very well that this won't be possible without tools like ACT and ultimates would especially impossible, but they still say they don't want people to use them.

[VelKallor]

From the WOW forums, shown to me by a friend. A fitting summary, I would say.

I mean, I can look to my own behaviour in both games. I will organize group kicks to get out underperformers when I struggle in WoW because that is what the game has conditioned me to do. Even if I try to advise, odds are, I’ll be the one finding myself on the outside of the group. In FFXIV, if someone is underperforming, I take the time to advise and guide them when I have knowledge that can help. That little crown by my name lets the person know that I’m actively trying to help them, not attack. I have had a few people say that they don’t want my help and… fair enough.

and the response

Your behavior in WoW is toxic, but I can’t blame you for it because the game has been rewarding you for it for years. You no longer treat it like a game. You treat it like a job, and you see your role as a manager at a toxic workplace who cuts underperformers so that the rest of his team has less work to do to succeed. That kind of environment is not conducive to a pleasant gaming experience.

[VelKallor]

If you want to get better and really master your class you need data and tools to analyse. And its still kind of ironic that the developers give us challenging content where you need to optimise your rotation but then won't let you look at your numbers. They enjoy world first races and know very well that this won't be possible without tools like ACT and ultimates would especially impossible, but they still say they don't want people to use them.

Their stance is fine. Use it if you wish, but DO NOT USE IT to berate, reprimand or publically embarrass others. The devs have said they wont check whether you use it or not, as long as you use it for yourself and dont start spamming dps numbers to a group unasked for.

[TaleraRistain]

How is this elitism? If I'm setting up a PF with certain DPS requirements, I'm doing so in the hopes of faster clears not to help any one individual. Faster clears means we have potentially less runs to do (for mount farms).



Caring about your damage doesn't make you midcore or hardcore. It's simply wanting to perform at a higher level than the bare minimum. Even if you only play 2-5 hours a week, you can still want to achieve that. The crazy thing is, plenty of players genuinely think they are contributing huge damage. I can't tell you the number of Samurai (because it's typically that job) who think they're topping the charts only for me to glance over and see they're barely ahead of the tanks.

On the flipside, when people were less afraid to say anything in chat. I'd actually get casual players asking if they're damage was good. I'll never forget a Monk who was downright baffled his damage was so low. Not only was his appreciative but wanted to improve. Met a Dark Knight who was farming normals and asking people his parses because he played on PS4. Neither of these players set foot in even Extreme yet but still wanted to be better. The problem is FFXIV hides everything because it doesn't want people to see and potentially feel bad. Which is ironic when they turn around and design a system like Astro's seals, which are entirely dependent on a parse for you to notice the damage difference your cards offer.

I would make the argument again that you aren't talking to casual players there. Just like your play time doesn't, your content doesn't make you casual. It's the way that you approach the game.

There are people in the game that are hardcore crafters, hardcore in glamour, hardcore in Mahjong or chocobo racing, hardcore in adventuring etc. They will min/max, count the numbers, and optimize no matter what content they're tackling because that's the type of thing a more hardcore outlook focuses on.