Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Caurcas]

You need not fear the numbers, in fact you should embrace them. Also y'all act like a harassment policy would change.

[Kolsykol]

You need not fear the numbers, in fact you should embrace them. Also y'all act like a harassment policy would change.

I don't fear them, I use it myself.
I just don't live under a rock and understand how people on the internet and as such in video games work.

If people want to parse they'll get the software, all that'd really change is that people who don't use it and probably don't want to will have it shoved in their face.
Personally I don't like to use it either in more casual content because I don't like the pressure being there at all times.
It's sorta like PvP servers, not everyone wants forced PvP that doesn't mean that they don't like PvP.

My main genre of games is fighting games, it's all about 1vs1.
The difference is that I choose going into it, and like in MMO's I don't like to be randomly attacked any moment.
Some people like it but not everyone does some people just want to relax and choose when it happens.
And it's the same with parsing.

How is this elitism? If I'm setting up a PF with certain DPS requirements, I'm doing so in the hopes of faster clears not to help any one individual. Faster clears means we have potentially less runs to do (for mount farms).



Caring about your damage doesn't make you midcore or hardcore. It's simply wanting to perform at a higher level than the bare minimum. Even if you only play 2-5 hours a week, you can still want to achieve that. The crazy thing is, plenty of players genuinely think they are contributing huge damage. I can't tell you the number of Samurai (because it's typically that job) who think they're topping the charts only for me to glance over and see they're barely ahead of the tanks.

On the flipside, when people were less afraid to say anything in chat. I'd actually get casual players asking if they're damage was good. I'll never forget a Monk who was downright baffled his damage was so low. Not only was his appreciative but wanted to improve. Met a Dark Knight who was farming normals and asking people his parses because he played on PS4. Neither of these players set foot in even Extreme yet but still wanted to be better. The problem is FFXIV hides everything because it doesn't want people to see and potentially feel bad. Which is ironic when they turn around and design a system like Astro's seals, which are entirely dependent on a parse for you to notice the damage difference your cards offer.

I think that it depends on the extent we're talking about here.
I do think that caring about damage is only something that a select few do, there's obviously extreme examples that you mentioned where a SAM is dealing less than a tank.
But I think that most people just want to perform their rotation at a decent enough level and then leave it at that and there's already systems like the SSS in place to sorta let people know.
I don't think that most people care if they're topping the charts or exactly how high their damage is.
They just want to clear the content and that's it.

And like I said people who want to do better will generally do more reading and looking around, and they'll get the parse regardless.
You can always find exceptions but I think this is true at large and that parse always being in everyones face wouldn't benefit people at large it'd just cause drama and make people feel pressured and frustrated.

Edit: Case in point, even in your example the MNK asked you.
The MNK was already curious but not everyone is.

[Caurcas]

SSS is notoriously strangely tuned. Its unreliable at best, and useless at worst.

[Kolsykol]

SSS is notoriously strangely tuned. Its unreliable at best, and useless at worst.

As a MNK main I am aware of that, it's far easier and more convenient on SAM and even NIN on MNK the CD's don't do MNK any favors and it often ends at the lowest point ( not to mention RNG over a short time makes it worse and far less consistent ).
But it still gives you an idea which was my point.

It's pretty okay for knowing if you're doing your rotation correctly.

[Goji1639]

I'd love to have parsers be standard in this game; I used them all the time in WoW and not having them in this game takes away most of the fun of playing a DPS class.

That said, we already know why this game will never allow them. It's because if they were legal none of you wannabe tryhards would be able to keep your mouths shut, and we'll have new players getting harassed and shamed in trivial content until this game ends up with the same reputation as every other online game.

The illusion that this is a "nice" community doesn't stem from the community actually being nice; it's that SE has this stuff on lockdown. They're not going to trust you people with a tool like that, and I can't necessarily say I blame them. It is a shame, though.

[VelKallor]

I'd love to have parsers be standard in this game; I used them all the time in WoW and not having them in this game takes away most of the fun of playing a DPS class.

If I had the time, i'd list the number of ways "fun" can be redefined. Suffice it to say that the rampant abuse of said "tool" is enough for me to never see one again. What can be used, can be misused, abused, mishandled or become a weapon for petty "people" more interested in forcing their "standards" and ego on others.

Said misuse over the years has turned WOW from a game into a fulltime job, to the point of what I would call at times vindictive, vile, utterly reprehensible behaviour. I lost count of the number of so called "raid leaders" screaming obscene abuse at the top of their lungs at people who didnt meet idiotic "dps standards"..and by obscene abuse I am referring to foaming at the mouth, almost homicidal rage.

i am referring to the kind of behaviour that, in public, would definitely have resulted in an immediate arrest.

FF 14 does not want, does not need, and never will need that kind of toxicity..in this I stand in full agreement with the FF 14 devs on the matter.

I will not, no, actually cannot, detail what I heard and witnessed over eight years in WOW

if you ever wish to doubt my word, you are cordially invited to come see me on Kujata and I will happily recount some of my experiences to you firsthand.

[Penthea]

I will not, no, actually cannot, detail what I heard and witnessed over eight years in WOW

Yea WoW is why I am against everyone being able to easily see parses of those they're grouped up with. Many of the things that I witnessed being said as a result of parser abuse I literally cannot repeat them in the forums or the game. They're that bad. I would have to rephrase them to give people an idea. Things such as telling a player they should end their own life because their dps wasn't to their personal standards, and all that riddled with F bombs and insults...while in very easy content -_- Sadly some people don't need much to turn their harsh criticism to 100.

Of course not every instance in WoW for me was unpleasant because of parser abuse, but enough have been that I am firmly against in-game parsers being anything beyond a personal grade at the end of content that only you can see. Being a healer I was rarely the target of the abuse but watching it happen really sucked. Not to mention when the incidents turned into a full blown argument and the progress of the content entirely stopped until they cooled off or someone left.

I have been playing FFXIV since HW and I have NEVER seen a DF group fall apart due to a completely unnecessary very heated argument full of insults about performance, but in WoW I saw it happen several times each year that I have played. And those several times I am referring to are just the worst of the bunch. There are those other times when needless harsh words were exchanged but the group still kept going.

I don't miss dealing with that at all. I pug DF way more in FFXIV than I ever have in WoW because in FFXIV the worry of seeing that sort of behaviour is tiny by comparison.

[Caurcas]

I'd love to have parsers be standard in this game; I used them all the time in WoW and not having them in this game takes away most of the fun of playing a DPS class.

That said, we already know why this game will never allow them. It's because if they were legal none of you wannabe tryhards would be able to keep your mouths shut, and we'll have new players getting harassed and shamed in trivial content until this game ends up with the same reputation as every other online game.

The illusion that this is a "nice" community doesn't stem from the community actually being nice; it's that SE has this stuff on lockdown. They're not going to trust you people with a tool like that, and I can't necessarily say I blame them. It is a shame, though.

Again, why would introducing a parser change the harrassment policy?

[Goji1639]

Again, why would introducing a parser change the harrassment policy?

It wouldn't; it'd just introduce a nice automated way for everyone to know exactly who they should be harassing in every run. We all know exactly what would happen once everyone has access to hard data at all times.

[TaleraRistain]

Again, why would introducing a parser change the harrassment policy?

Because there doesn't have to be direct harassment for the exclusionary nature of parsing to happen. Putting an official parser into the game is just their putting a giant stamp of approval on that behavior. Exactly the type of environment the devs don't want.