[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Roda]

1. I never claimed that male Viera are soft
2. I stated that there are many of us who actually play male races who would play male Viera. I am tall so I am advocating for a male race that looks normal and not like an animal (Hrothgar), an orc (Roegadyn), or a lizard with hourglass shape (Au ra). This game gives male players really bad options, specially if you want to be tall. A femroe height slider would satisfy both the small and the tall side of things.
3. 6' is not tall in FF male height. Somewhere between male Elezen and male Highlander is where the average is which is closer to 6'3-6'5 (77 inches).

1. Just making my observations on your takes of gender expression from other threads, if that's wrong woopsie. /shrug What I've gotten from your posts is that you seem to prefer the more macho looks/dislike the more feminine looks and I'm trying to find a solution that would lead to a better foundation for character customization. (treating a disease not the symptom and all that)

2. and this is why I think bodytypes for each of the races would be a better solution. 'Cause with the females setting the standard at their current height it would look really weird to me to see the males pull an Au Ra and get close to roes/au ra in height where the females are kinda around elezen/highlander heights. And not to mention the scaling issues. Like I know you think it's fine that the femroe scaling is fine, but seeing a max height femroe next to a min height femroe looks very odd in my eyes. (like they're not even the same race) BUT, I could see a roe being less bulky, an Au Ra being thicker in the waist/thinner in the thighs, (highlanders getting eyebrows) or an elezen... getting a little polish, while also allowing for body type option allowing for scaling of the head and frame to make a more robust height slider seem more natural as a consequence! (Foundations!)

3. Eh, I guess it's a matter of perspective. I certainly feel tall on my max height highlander (6'1") especially since the taller races aren't played as much. The possible average (for males) might be shifted closer to taller than the human average, but in practice the playerbase as a whole is populated by mostly shorties, which is what I base my experience on.

First of all, males not being able to be taller than females is not objectively rad. That's totally your opinion.

Yes, that was the joke??
Like, formatting and an emoji? Saying something obviously based on personal taste is objective?? No can't possibly be sarcasm. Must be something said in complete seriousness!

Secondly, despite this being a fantasy game with fantasy races, most of the races do follow with the real-life human dimorphism that males in general are taller than females. If you go to a country where the average male height is 5'6", the average female height ends up being around 5"2", like Thailand. If you go to a country where the average male height is 5'11", the average female height ends up being 5'7", like the Netherlands. It's just the way it works, and it seems like the game definitely emulates this physiological reality with its own fantasy races. So it is safe to assume that male Viera would end up being taller than the females.

I mean ok, so what? male rabbits are smaller than female rabbits, they are a race that are yes humanoid, but also take inspiration from rabbit in both their biology and societal structure. Would be cool to see them use that as inspiration.

Of course, there are exceptions. You yourself can make this exception by playing as a minimum height male Viera. You'll be shorter than max height female Viera. You'll be shorter than a lot of character types actually.

Turn it around for my solution to someone who can't bear to see the ratios inverted. Good enough for me, good enough for you.

But you can't get mad and say, "I'm a minimum height male Viera. Why am I still taller than these max height Midlanders and Miqo'te?" Because you're playing Viera.

I never brought other races into this. They are their own designs. I'm not arguing in absolutes.

One of Viera's defining traits is their height, just like Elezen and Roegadyn. Granted, male Viera have never been revealed until now. But, it is logical to assume that give how races have been designed in this game, as well as the racial lore of the Viera, that the males would end up being taller, or at the very least, just as tall as the females.

Asking for Viera to be shorter is like asking for Elezen or Roegadyn to be shorter. Tallness is a part of what makes them distinct and unique.

If the viera, who have been defined by their females for so long, are also defined by their height, then the males don't NEED to be taller than them since the females were doing just fine enough with their tallness. Having their max be just a bit shorter than the females adds a bit of unique flavor that the game currently lacks. (And nowhere in the lore are the males described as needing to be taller. "they're survivalists" does less for that argument than you'd think)

When female Viera were finally released, a lot of threads popped up requesting that they be made shorter. One infamous user even posted something along the lines of "tallness isn't feminine".

Yeah those threads were silly.

People wanted to take something that made Viera "Viera" and twist it so they can play the archetype they prefer. This is why female Miqo'te and female Au Ra reign supreme in terms of popularity. People wanted Miqo'te with bunny ears. But Miqo'te with bunny ears is not Viera. And I would say that this applies to males too.

Meanwhile people are arguing for au ra/elezen with bunny ears and a fixed body. I have not been arguing for this -_- The opposite height ratios would make the race more distinct in my eyes. This is my position.

And by the way, accusing people of being this and that and needing therapy and all that was completely unnecessary. There are other ways to make your point.

I have already edited that out as people have misinterpreted me as talking directly about them when I was only talking about my previous experiences in these discussions on other platforms.
(tho tbh, everyone could use a little therapy. 'Been a rough year)

There are a ton of short male miqote in this game. So the assumption that women are afraid to be taller than them is false. A lot of these so called female miqote and AuRa players you are accusing women of having to be shorter are males irl. I know it’s shocking. That’s sarcasm.

My comments about allowing mid height miqote to tallest fem viera height and doing the same for female viera has to do with people asking for a shorter fem viera and being told no. No one cares if male viera are shorter than them, male miqote are by majority already smaller, what’s the difference?

It seems to me that you are the one with a complex. I think maybe you are looking for any reason to validate short male viera. It’s ok to want that because you like it. It’s not ok to attack other people to try to get what you want.

I'm sorry I'm not parsing that first part I think you might've misinterpreted something I've wrote? Cause, what?
And like I'm not blanket accusing EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. who has a conclusion of an argument that ends up in one place as the same type of person. So please, I beg you, stop interpreting my personal experiences as that? (it's getting a bit annoying tbh. Like I've said, if something I've said doesn't describe you, then I'm not talking about you.)

And ok, so it's not ok for me to talk about the possibility of someone undefined to have a very common body insecurity and suggest that they find help for them to feel more comfortable because, well, living with that kind of dissonance sucks (and seriously, normalize its existence because the fear that you're alone in thinking that kind of thing can stop you from getting help). BUT! it's ok for you to directly tell me that I have "a complex"? Do I have that right? (Boy, I sure do hope you met the "lol short male viera r 4 pedos/fujoshi/fetishists" crowd with the same attitude) Don't worry I'm used to people lashing out at me and accusing me of random things. But no, my reasons for wanting what I want in this matter isn't directly based on feelings (lower down in the hierarchy, sure, but not immediately) I just think it would suit them better for the reasons I've listed, and find the counterpoints people bring as weak, or could use some workshopping.