[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Amnmaat]

Then don't play a race whose current representative "isn't tall" enough for you.
I genuinely think you'd be much happier suggesting improved options for the races you currently like, as I believe from your previous posts, you wouldn't like playing a male viera anyway what with how soft the released designs are.

(Also lol at being over 6' not being "tall")

1. I never claimed that male Viera are soft
2. I stated that there are many of us who actually play male races who would play male Viera. I am tall so I am advocating for a male race that looks normal and not like an animal (Hrothgar), an orc (Roegadyn), or a lizard with hourglass shape (Au ra). This game gives male players really bad options, specially if you want to be tall. A femroe height slider would satisfy both the small and the tall side of things.
3. 6' is not tall in FF male height. Somewhere between male Elezen and male Highlander is where the average is which is closer to 6'3-6'5 (77 inches).

[MarsAstro]

There are already plenty of races where the male is taller than the female. This is all just fantasy, so it's perfectly fine to have races where the females are the taller ones. Which is exactly why they should do it, because that's exactly what makes fantasy interesting. When you get the opportunity to vary and go beyond real life, why wouldn't you? It's boring to just do the same thing over and over.

I support short boys!

[HollowedDoll]

There are already plenty of races where the male is taller than the female. This is all just fantasy, so it's perfectly fine to have races where the females are the taller ones. Which is exactly why they should do it, because that's exactly what makes fantasy interesting. When you get the opportunity to vary and go beyond real life, why wouldn't you? It's boring to just do the same thing over and over.

I support short boys!

as do we..... ur missing the point of the thread

[Hunky]

Like at best, the request is a misplaced request for improvements to be made to existing races, at worst you're forcing people to enable unhealthy coping for your own body dysphoria, which, uh, if this is you please talk to someone about this? OR (BIG OR, not saying mental health issues means you're inherently a bad person) or it's an attempt at some seriously outdated and toxic "REAL MAN" conformity, which, ew.

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Oh and shorter males are cool, and not a trope currently represented in XIV, and if you don't want to play a race that cannot be taller than its own females, then you have literally every other race to play (Besides lalafell as I think they're on par) and if those aren't to your liking, suggest updates and options for them.

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Where yes, the tallest male cannot be taller than the tallest female, because, like i've said, it's objectively rad.
BUT, in practice, most players will slam that height slider on their bunnygirl way down, so those who cannot bear to have a woman taller than them will be taller than most of their population if they crank their slider way up. (and will just have to deal with it or fantasia to another race / talk to a therapist if they can't deal)
(But like no really, if having ONE RACE in a videogame where the males cannot be taller than the tallest female makes you even the slightest bit uncomfortable, please talk to someone. Suggestion posts on game forums is not how you work out these issues.)

First of all, males not being able to be taller than females is not objectively rad. That's totally your opinion.

Secondly, despite this being a fantasy game with fantasy races, most of the races do follow with the real-life human dimorphism that males in general are taller than females. If you go to a country where the average male height is 5'6", the average female height ends up being around 5"2", like Thailand. If you go to a country where the average male height is 5'11", the average female height ends up being 5'7", like the Netherlands. It's just the way it works, and it seems like the game definitely emulates this physiological reality with its own fantasy races. So it is safe to assume that male Viera would end up being taller than the females.

Of course, there are exceptions. You yourself can make this exception by playing as a minimum height male Viera. You'll be shorter than max height female Viera. You'll be shorter than a lot of character types actually.

But you can't get mad and say, "I'm a minimum height male Viera. Why am I still taller than these max height Midlanders and Miqo'te?" Because you're playing Viera.

One of Viera's defining traits is their height, just like Elezen and Roegadyn. Granted, male Viera have never been revealed until now. But, it is logical to assume that give how races have been designed in this game, as well as the racial lore of the Viera, that the males would end up being taller, or at the very least, just as tall as the females.

Asking for Viera to be shorter is like asking for Elezen or Roegadyn to be shorter. Tallness is a part of what makes them distinct and unique. You can play as a short Elezen, but you're still an Elezen and it's only natural that you'll end up being taller than Midlanders and Miqo'te.

When female Viera were finally released, a lot of threads popped up requesting that they be made shorter. One infamous user even posted something along the lines of "tallness isn't feminine".

People wanted to take something that made Viera "Viera" and twist it so they can play the archetype they prefer. This is why female Miqo'te and female Au Ra reign supreme in terms of popularity. People wanted Miqo'te with bunny ears. But Miqo'te with bunny ears is not Viera. And I would say that this applies to males too.

And by the way, accusing people of being this and that and needing therapy and all that was completely unnecessary. There are other ways to make your point.

[Rasler_Heios]

I prefer the male viera to be of same height or taller than the viera. I don't plan playing it if it is smaller than the female. I do support the option to choose whichever height the player wants it to be (short, normal, tall).

[Haru304]

I don't see why we can't have the best of both worlds.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Would be pretty hype for females to be taller always, unless they are min height vs max height male. Males generally are always the taller ones. Would be nice to swap it around for a change and have them canonically the smaller ones. Overall, idc much either way. It's height.. how some of you get that up tight about it idk. I was a Viera for about a year and had to swap back due to lack of variety, namely every new and old hairstyle I cannot use.. and I did very much miss some of my hats. Hoping for more hair and for older races to get more faces etc. Some of them look so so bad.

[AngelCheese77]

What do people gain by preventing males to be taller? All males in XIV are taller than females, as they imitate real life. When creating male Viera it shouldn't follow the Au ra design philosophy. The real topic of discussion is a wide range slider that allows for males to be short like Hyur but also as tall as Elezen or tall in general. Tall male options are very limited. Limited to orc, animal, reptile with horns, and 1 semi normal giraffe. There's no real normal option for us, male Viera would finally be the option for an attractive tall option just like female Viera was an attractive tall female option.

I know there's a lot of RP'rs around or people who want to fetishize being taller than the males but the game isn't played solely by RPrs. A lot of us just want the option to make characters that look like ourselves; on the tall side it's very hard to do that.

Woah woah hold the phone. Are you serious saying men IRL ALWAYS ARE TALLER THEN FEMALES? Uhhhh I can find you many examples to prove you wrong. Is that the reason you want tall bun bun?

I’m really trying to understand in a fantasy game your reasoning why this is critical. As a 5’10” woman myself, I have zero issues playing small or tall races. Heck I’m playing a male highlander right now that looks a mix between Emperor Varis and George Washington ffs. I’ll be doing a male bun bun no matter the height. And my 6’2” sister is a male hrothgar with a fade.

[dsgawwewerfw]

give shota pls

[Hunky]

Except that we're comparing the male heights, not the female heights.
I want to play a tall male (female Viera is short by male character standards):


The fact that people want to use female height standards for how tall male Viera should be is sad to say the least. Those of us who will actually play male Viera and who don't have a good tall male option don't want female Viera height; because females are short when compared to males.

When giving male options I'm thinking of male heights, not about the females.
The tallest female Viera is shorter than the male Highlander, that's not tall on the male side of things.

Exactly this. Even if male Viera turn out to be taller than the females, the males would still be outsized by a good number of other male character types. A minimum height male Viera would end up being shorter than a lot of character types.

1. I never claimed that male Viera are soft
2. I stated that there are many of us who actually play male races who would play male Viera. I am tall so I am advocating for a male race that looks normal and not like an animal (Hrothgar), an orc (Roegadyn), or a lizard with hourglass shape (Au ra). This game gives male players really bad options, specially if you want to be tall. A femroe height slider would satisfy both the small and the tall side of things.
3. 6' is not tall in FF male height. Somewhere between male Elezen and male Highlander is where the average is which is closer to 6'3-6'5 (77 inches).

Thank you. Yes, six foot tall is not tall in this game. Please don't forget that Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen exist.

And on a personal note, I agree with you. I too want to play a tall race that isn't an "oogly-boogly gorilla" type (btw that was hilarious, thank you for that). Not a fan of races with animal faces, Hrothgar is a no. Roegadyn are also a no because I personally don't like their proportions. The only other race I kinda consistently swap out with is Au Ra. Even then, I don't stay Au Ra for long because their horns and scales are too much for me. Too bad, because I love their broad shoulders and slim waists.

From what I can tell in the video, male Viera are going to be a happy balance between Au Ra and Elezen. And that's something I definitely look forward to.

Woah woah hold the phone. Are you serious saying men IRL ALWAYS ARE TALLER THEN FEMALES? Uhhhh I can find you many examples to prove you wrong. Is that the reason you want tall bun bun?

I’m really trying to understand in a fantasy game your reasoning why this is critical. As a 5’10” woman myself, I have zero issues playing small or tall races. Heck I’m playing a male highlander right now that looks a mix between Emperor Varis and George Washington ffs. I’ll be doing a male bun bun no matter the height. And my 6’2” sister is a male hrothgar with a fade.

That's not what he said. He said males being taller than females in the game do so because they imitate real life. In general, it is true that women tend to be shorter than men. But that's not saying that men are always taller.

Think of it like this. When you go to the Netherlands, you'll notice Dutch women are tall on average (5'7"). The men in Thailand, on the other hand, clock in at an average of 5'6". But if you look at the average heights of the rest, you'll see what I mean. The average height for Dutch men is 5'11", and for Thai women it's 5'2". Just an example of how this works. If a Dutch woman is taller than a Dutch man, then one of two things is probably happening: that Dutch woman is exceptionally tall, or that Dutch man is exceptionally short.

That's how the exceptions work. If you make your male Viera minimum height, that'll definitely be the exception, because he'll be shorter than a tall female Viera.