Pronouns???

[Alaray]

I am trepidations to insert myself again into this discussion, but I wish to clarify some cognitive dissonances we have in this thread. So each side knows where I stand, I don't like neo pronouns and think it is an overt extension of "woke" that is bleeding into modern American politics. That said, I also love logic. So let's logic this.

Side A: There exist only two sexes, a BINARY male-female.

Side B: Those who chose to identify outside of that must the be called NON-BINARY.

This is logically consistent. To say there is a general binary and then say something that isn't within the 0/1 concept isn't non-binary is just fallacious and genuinely arguing in bad faith.

If your logic is informed by misinformation, you're not being as logical as you claim to be. At best, you're presenting a biased opinion as a fact. At worst, you're just lying.

I mean, even your position that there's only two sexes is not consistent with reality. For a rule like that to be an absolute, a law, for reality to abide by then reality has to actually abide by it in all cases.

Which, considering Hikelos' argument stems from twitter threads as sources (lol). I feel like I'm being pretty reasonable.

[Jennah]

So ... if we put in a checkbox to allow people to switch between he/him and she/her ...

Does that mean SE doesn't need to add Male Viera and Female Hrothgar anymore?

Maybe this idea will *save* many, many dev resources.

[StormyFae]

So ... if we put in a checkbox to allow people to switch between he/him and she/her ...

Does that mean SE doesn't need to add Male Viera and Female Hrothgar anymore?

Maybe this idea will *save* many, many dev resources.

Id accept it if they remove all gender lock glamor

[Caurcas]

Please look forward to the male/female choice in character creation getting changed to type 1/type 2.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Id accept it if they remove all gender lock glamor

But it's not gender locked. It's sex locked.

[Hikelos]

Which, considering Hikelos' argument stems from twitter threads as sources (lol). I feel like I'm being pretty reasonable.

Where did I use a twitter thread as a source for anything? Quote it.
If you're going to try to smear other people with such blatant lies, at the very least you need some measure of distance between the lie and source.

I mean, even your position that there's only two sexes is not consistent with reality. For a rule like that to be an absolute, a law, for reality to abide by then reality has to actually abide by it in all cases.

This is an obviously untenable position. Exceptions are exceptions. Especially ones that cover 0.0006% of cases, such as the intersex cases you're alluding to. (Most of which don't quite like it when you use them as a cudgel and speak for them by the way)

[MikkoAkure]

You're completely correct, but the person you're quoting is more making a point that the pixies aren't genderless or non-binary merely to serve a real world agenda.

My point which I guess isn't as obvious as intended, is that what's in the game is what's in the game and worrying about what other people extrapolate from it or connecting it to real-world mythology doesn't mean anything because it's just a game. They already changed Titania from being the Queen of the Fairies to the king. Shakespearean fairies, where Queen Titania, Mustardseed, and Peaseblossom came from, had genders and relationships so FFXIV fairies are already different and off-piste from what most people are used to and from the "source material". Some people think that counts as "representation" for non-binary folks and I'm not going to tell them no since it's what they want to think and it doesn't affect me.

Also, to say that FFXIV Pixies take no inspiration from the pagan mythological creature of the same name because it's not a 1:1 recreation, is just as absurd.
You could make that same argument about Goblins, Bombs, Ixal, Amalj'aa, Sylphs, Kobolds, etc. on the basis that they all use the same model and thus are "androgynous non-binary icons".

I never said that they take no inspiration. I said that there are things in the game that are adapted from things in our world, but it shouldn't be completed expected to conform to the material it came from.

[Coletergeist]

This is still going on? Aren’t you ppl working or getting hyped about the fest instead of w/e this thread has become?

For real I wish this thread would just die already.

[Lanadra]

For real I wish this thread would just die already.

I mean.. you, and Caitsithhh as well help keep it on page 1.. you help keep it alive. So you're running contrary to your stated desire for this thread to die.

[Theodric]

If there's a particular thread I have no interest in, I simply do not post in it or read it.

It's only a few hours until the Fan Fest, at any rate - at which point the forum will shift to discussing that.