Pronouns???

[ReynTime]

Thankfully SE was ahead of them in this request. They were gracious enough to add Pixies to this game. Dozens upon dozens of non-binary characters, they even featured fairly frequently in ShB. Most notably off course Feo Ul. How nice of them.

Oh, wait? They didn't expressly and every five minutes tell us that pixies are non-binary? Oh noes, how horrible of them. We need those reminders lest we forget that Pixies aren't binary!!

*note, I'm not specifically trying to make fun of you, lezard, it's more a general poking of fun at the issue.

Althought that would have been a bit obnoxious, I'd suspect the real reason they tried to be vague about is due how japanese (I mean specifically players, IDK about the staff) are still very conservative when it comes to gender and sexuality norms compared to the west. Easier not to "bother" them by not being too explicit.

[Hikelos]

Thankfully SE was ahead of them in this request. They were gracious enough to add Pixies to this game. Dozens upon dozens of non-binary characters, they even featured fairly frequently in ShB. Most notably off course Feo Ul. How nice of them.

I don't know that Pagan, mostly northern-european folklore and myth can be retroactively assigned a side into what's possibly the most artificial and senseless debate of 2020.
While pixies, elves and many other beings that can be considered spirits, or manifestations of nature are neither male nor female, they most certainly aren't "non-binary".
Mostly the distinction in the myth was made because the most human feature was being multigenerational spirits (as in, same spirits that lives through progeny- that's what Halloween is for btw) while nature's spirits are simply immortal and thus don't require sexual characteristic as they don't need to make children to keep their spirit alive.
By extension I don't know that artists and storytellers can be boxed into one side or the other just because they take inspiration from those myths.

I've been called ungracious names when I explained this to someone else before, so just to make things clear : you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but please stop with the projection.
Not everything is about new-age gender politics for the 1%.

[MikkoAkure]

I don't know that Pagan, mostly northern-european folklore and myth can be retroactively assigned a side into what's possibly the most artificial and senseless debate of 2020.
While pixies, elves and many other beings that can be considered spirits, or manifestations of nature are neither male nor female, they most certainly aren't "non-binary".
Mostly the distinction in the myth was made because the most human feature was being multigenerational spirits (as in, same spirits that lives through progeny- that's what Halloween is for btw) while nature's spirits are simply immortal and thus don't require sexual characteristic as they don't need to make children to keep their spirit alive.
By extension I don't know that artists and storytellers can be boxed into one side or the other just because they take inspiration from those myths.

I've been called ungracious names when I explained this to someone else before, so just to make things clear : you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but please stop with the projection.
Not everything is about new-age gender politics for the 1%.

It's stated in the game itself that the pixies are genderless. Considering "genderless" exists outside the binary, the term "non-binary" still applies here. The role of their leader is called a king and not a queen despite looking super feminine. The regular pixies are purposefully androgynous. They use gender-neutral pronouns (at least in the English version) in reference to each other in the game. I don't know how you can get through Shadowbringers without knowing this unless you skipped cutscenes or closed your eyes and plugged your ears to ignore the bits that were harmful to your psyche. The English localization team is lead by Koji Fox and he helped create the lore for the game itself so you can't brush it off as a translation thing either.

Bringing up real-world mythology has nothing at all to do with what's in the game. Just like how Tolkien's elves are nothing like real-world mythology's elves, people are allowed to take from it and adapt it however the hell they want because it's not real and it's not owned by anyone.

[Haru304]

It's stated in the game itself that the pixies are genderless. Considering "genderless" exists outside the binary, the term "non-binary" still applies here. The role of their leader is called a king and not a queen despite looking super feminine. The regular pixies are purposefully androgynous. They use gender-neutral pronouns (at least in the English version) in reference to each other in the game. I don't know how you can get through Shadowbringers without knowing this unless you skipped cutscenes or closed your eyes and plugged your ears to ignore the bits that were harmful to your psyche. The English localization team is lead by Koji Fox and he helped create the lore for the game itself so you can't brush it off as a translation thing either.

Bringing up real-world mythology has nothing at all to do with what's in the game. Just like how Tolkien's elves are nothing like real-world mythology's elves, people are allowed to take from it and adapt it however the hell they want because it's not real and it's not owned by anyone.

You're completely correct, but the person you're quoting is more making a point that the pixies aren't genderless or non-binary merely to serve a real world agenda.

[Hikelos]

It's stated in the game itself that the pixies are genderless. Considering "genderless" exists outside the binary, the term "non-binary" still applies here. The role of their leader is called a king and not a queen despite looking super feminine. The regular pixies are purposefully androgynous. They use gender-neutral pronouns (at least in the English version) in reference to each other in the game. I don't know how you can get through Shadowbringers without knowing this unless you skipped cutscenes or closed your eyes and plugged your ears to ignore the bits that were harmful to your psyche. The English localization team is lead by Koji Fox and he helped create the lore for the game itself so you can't brush it off as a translation thing either.

Bringing up real-world mythology has nothing at all to do with what's in the game. Just like how Tolkien's elves are nothing like real-world mythology's elves, people are allowed to take from it and adapt it however the hell they want because it's not real and it's not owned by anyone.

This is a very disingenuous argument, and there's no way you don't know deep down how much you have to engage in mental gymnastics to believe this was intended, or that this happened with no peer pressure or more likely fear of getting 'cancelled' - I.E. have political activists perpetually run a campaign of Black PR against them. (Look at the many episodes during WoW's lifetime and how many times they had to bend the knee and be proactive to prevent this kind of threat)
Just read this entire thread from the start and take a shot every time someone is either "fishing" for excuses to label people Xphobic, or using vague wording to subtly imply that someone only holds the opinion they hold because of some nebulous conception of "hate", thus dehumanizing and gaslighting them.
Just take a good look at how this discussion always goes and tell me any of this comes from a place of honesty and earnestness.
It's always just fishing for negative responses, so they can compile them and use them as leverage later.

Also, to say that FFXIV Pixies take no inspiration from the pagan mythological creature of the same name because it's not a 1:1 recreation, is just as absurd.
You could make that same argument about Goblins, Bombs, Ixal, Amalj'aa, Sylphs, Kobolds, etc. on the basis that they all use the same model and thus are "androgynous non-binary icons".

These requests are on the same level as that 'reporter' asking about E*P brothels at Fanfest.

[Alaray]

I don't know that Pagan, mostly northern-european folklore and myth can be retroactively assigned a side into what's possibly the most artificial and senseless debate of 2020.
While pixies, elves and many other beings that can be considered spirits, or manifestations of nature are neither male nor female, they most certainly aren't "non-binary".
Mostly the distinction in the myth was made because the most human feature was being multigenerational spirits (as in, same spirits that lives through progeny- that's what Halloween is for btw) while nature's spirits are simply immortal and thus don't require sexual characteristic as they don't need to make children to keep their spirit alive.
By extension I don't know that artists and storytellers can be boxed into one side or the other just because they take inspiration from those myths.

I've been called ungracious names when I explained this to someone else before, so just to make things clear : you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but please stop with the projection.
Not everything is about new-age gender politics for the 1%.

You know the word "non binary" just means existing outside of a binary, right?

If something doesn't exist within a binary, such as immortal nature creatures, that'd be uh...

outside of the binary.

Humans make words to mean things.

[Caitsithhh]

This is still going on? Aren’t you ppl working or getting hyped about the fest instead of w/e this thread has become?

[HyperSMB]

You know the word "non binary" just means existing outside of a binary, right?

If something doesn't exist within a binary, such as immortal nature creatures, that'd be uh...

outside of the binary.

Humans make words to mean things.

I am trepidations to insert myself again into this discussion, but I wish to clarify some cognitive dissonances we have in this thread. So each side knows where I stand, I don't like neo pronouns and think it is an overt extension of "woke" that is bleeding into modern American politics. That said, I also love logic. So let's logic this.

Side A: There exist only two sexes, a BINARY male-female.

Side B: Those who chose to identify outside of that must the be called NON-BINARY.

This is logically consistent. To say there is a general binary and then say something that isn't within the 0/1 concept isn't non-binary is just fallacious and genuinely arguing in bad faith.

[Hikelos]

Humans make words to mean things.

And you don't get to re-define those words with a meaning that advances your personal agenda after the fact.

By the way, case in point for this :

Just read this entire thread from the start and take a shot every time someone is either "fishing" for excuses to label people Xphobic, or using vague wording to subtly imply that someone only holds the opinion they hold because of some nebulous conception of "hate", thus dehumanizing and gaslighting them.
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Flippant and obviously ridiculous statements of the kind that gets 20k likes on Twitter (from political activist circles), made with the intention of having the other person overextend and say something that can then be miscontrued to brand them as 'hateful' .
Same old tactics these people used when they spammed and astroturfed these forums about Male Viera.
Get a new playbook, this one is stale.

[Lanadra]

I don't know that Pagan, mostly northern-european folklore and myth can be retroactively assigned a side into what's possibly the most artificial and senseless debate of 2020.
While pixies, elves and many other beings that can be considered spirits, or manifestations of nature are neither male nor female, they most certainly aren't "non-binary".
Mostly the distinction in the myth was made because the most human feature was being multigenerational spirits (as in, same spirits that lives through progeny- that's what Halloween is for btw) while nature's spirits are simply immortal and thus don't require sexual characteristic as they don't need to make children to keep their spirit alive.
By extension I don't know that artists and storytellers can be boxed into one side or the other just because they take inspiration from those myths.

I've been called ungracious names when I explained this to someone else before, so just to make things clear : you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but please stop with the projection.
Not everything is about new-age gender politics for the 1%.

Just as a for the record note: You do realize I was making fun of the entire issue, right? My actual points on this topic matter I made like 2/3 pages ago.