FFXIV: Limited Job and why it doesn't work

[ItMe]

My mixed feelings on BLU aside, I hope they only continue to expand the limited job system.
Not just for the sake of BLU, but also because it feels like limited jobs might be my only way to see Puppetmaster in FF14 lol.

[ForteNightshade]

I disagree heavily. Blue Mage is not broken or a mistake in its current iteration.

Friday will determine that. If no second Limited Job is announced. That is essentially the dev team acknowledging Blue Mage was a failure. Or the system itself at the very least. FFXIV is notorious for clinging to content or concepts. For them to abandon what was advertised as a major piece of Fanfest only two years prior would speak volumes to the lackluster reception.

With that said, a decent amount of fault lies on the dev team for their horrendous presentation of Blue Mage and the Limited Job system. Not only was announcing at directly after the Datacenter split a bad idea, but to release what was little more than a beta only served to strengthen the negative opinions people already had. We were told Blue Mage was limited due to its sheer imbalance and overpowered gameplay yet its 4.5 release showed the exact opposite. Having no worthwhile tank skills and being weaker than every DPS job at 50, it basically could do nothing "solo" except heal to full. They promptly ignored it for nearly a year. Hence why despite some respectable changes, people still despise the overall concept. I'm reminded of Heavensward Astro and how the dev team ultimately broke the job completely in a desperate plea for players to give it a second chance after they messed up so badly. Blue Mage kinda had its second chance but doesn't look to have the turnaround Astro did.

[ItMe]

Friday will determine that. If no second Limited Job is announced.

Why is the deadline Friday?
Especially since Yoshi said he's happy with BLU (and considers it a success) and we don't know what more they wanna do with BLU, it might not be till 7.x we see another limited job.
Even if they had something for 6.0 they probably won't announce it until we're closer to the actual release.

[wereotter]

Why is the deadline Friday?
Especially since Yoshi said he's happy with BLU (and considers it a success) and we don't know what more they wanna do with BLU, it might not be till 7.x we see another limited job.
Even if they had something for 6.0 they probably won't announce it until we're closer to the actual release.

I think she's going off of the Fan Fest on Friday. But I do agree that just because it might be omitted in this event doesn't mean they don't have other plans they will announce later.

[ItMe]

For anyone's reference I found the interview where Yoshi P said BLU was a success:

As far as whether or not Square Enix considers it a success, Yoshida answered with a resounding "yes."

So I really don't think that if they don't announce another limited job it is any indication they're not happy with BLU.

https://www.destructoid.com/stories/...e-543587.phtml

[ForteNightshade]

Why is the deadline Friday?
Especially since Yoshi said he's happy with BLU (and considers it a success) and we don't know what more they wanna do with BLU, it might not be till 7.x we see another limited job.
Even if they had something for 6.0 they probably won't announce it until we're closer to the actual release.

What else is Yoshida going to say? "No. We're disappointed with the reception." That only adds to the already existing stigma.

As for announcing a second Limited Job. They announced Blue Mage at NA Fanfest, well over a year before Shadowbringers release. Fanfest is literally the vehicle they use to showcase major content. They aren't going to announce a second Limited Job randomly a month or two before Endwalker. They've never added anything suddenly like that before. Likewise, if reception of Limited Jobs were positive, they wouldn't put it on ice for two years. Case in point, Delubrum is already being cited as continuing in the next expansion. Bozja is another example, having succeeded Eureka.

Something to keep in mind. When they advertised Blue Mage, Yoshida outright mentioned they were already pondering Beastmaster and Puppetmaster as potential second Limited Jobs. To go from hinting at follow up additions to putting the whole system on ice for two years isn't a ringing endorsement of the content.

[TheMightyMollusk]

We also had a global pandemic that threw a lot of plans out the window just to get the regular patches back into some semblance of schedule. I could see a limited job being a casualty of that and put on a shelf until they have time to get back to it, just like the second Ultimate getting kicked back to 6.1. So, given the extraordinary circumstances of the past year, I wouldn't write the entire concept off just because it doesn't get mentioned right away.

[Stepjam]

What else is Yoshida going to say? "No. We're disappointed with the reception." That only adds to the already existing stigma.

As for announcing a second Limited Job. They announced Blue Mage at NA Fanfest, well over a year before Shadowbringers release. Fanfest is literally the vehicle they use to showcase major content. They aren't going to announce a second Limited Job randomly a month or two before Endwalker. They've never added anything suddenly like that before. Likewise, if reception of Limited Jobs were positive, they wouldn't put it on ice for two years. Case in point, Delubrum is already being cited as continuing in the next expansion. Bozja is another example, having succeeded Eureka.

Something to keep in mind. When they advertised Blue Mage, Yoshida outright mentioned they were already pondering Beastmaster and Puppetmaster as potential second Limited Jobs. To go from hinting at follow up additions to putting the whole system on ice for two years isn't a ringing endorsement of the content.

I mean half of the enemy NPCs in Bozja have been beast masters. That feels like it could definitely be hinting at something.

[ItMe]

What else is Yoshida going to say? "No. We're disappointed with the reception."

I mean... they've done it before.
Them being consistent makes more sense to me than them suddenly gas lighting us.

As for announcing a second Limited Job. They announced Blue Mage at NA Fanfest, well over a year before Shadowbringers release. Fanfest is literally the vehicle they use to showcase major content. They aren't going to announce a second Limited Job randomly a month or two before Endwalker.

Sure, that's how they did it with BLU, but one data point does not make a pattern. Sure, we might be able to make some guesses based off that, but the conclusion I feel you're so ready to jump to (no 2nd limited job? So they agree it's a failure then) is not a reasonable conclusion to draw.

Something to keep in mind. When they advertised Blue Mage, Yoshida outright mentioned they were already pondering Beastmaster and Puppetmaster as potential second Limited Jobs. To go from hinting at follow up additions to putting the whole system on ice for two years isn't a ringing endorsement of the content.

First point: not giving us a second job doesn't equate to putting "the whole system on ice for two years." BLU has continued to get updates in spite of the pandemic forcing them to axe all, what was the phrase, "non-essential content?"

Additionally: You're right in that he teased Beast Master and Puppet Master, but what he didn't mention was their timetable. I want more just as much as you do. I'm itching for it. It doesn't seem like we have any reason to set their deadline to Friday.

[Mariel_Crystallie]

We also had a global pandemic that threw a lot of plans out the window just to get the regular patches back into some semblance of schedule. I could see a limited job being a casualty of that and put on a shelf until they have time to get back to it, just like the second Ultimate getting kicked back to 6.1. So, given the extraordinary circumstances of the past year, I wouldn't write the entire concept off just because it doesn't get mentioned right away.

Yeah at this point I only can see BLU being a victim of this... getting small portion for everything... well I just pray somehow some dev.team gonna watch TS video and discuss about it with Yoshida.. I mean his concept kinda cool but prob could be better